Just for a change from "When it will be released"

Ok, now. Anyone wants to visit Hendon with a good photocamera?

We need photos of the Meteor F.8. So, if you want to fly it over Korea - don't hasitate to send us photos of this bird.

We have, as usual, paricular perverted interest to varios holes, like: landing gear wells, flap wells, airbrake wells, cockpit, as well as other parts: wing fillets at the engine and fuselage, fin to fuselage joint, stab to fin joint, canopy, etc., etc.
Overall walkaround with general views from various sides will be usefull too.

Thanks in advance to those, going to help.

A shame - I was at Hendon two weeks ago! But I have a shoddy camera anyway, so no great loss.

Anyone contemplating it, Hendon's a great place to visit. Loads of fascinating stuff from all eras. Be advised, minimum card spend at the cafe is £10 so bring cash or your own lunch if you don't eat much.

Isn't there a better chance to find someone if you ask in the IL2 Forum or the Zoo?

Anyway, if nobody else in the London area can do it I would make the loooong and boring journey from Leeds until mid December. Would that be sufficient time wise?

Anybody knows how helpful they are at Hendon? Will they give you access to the cockpit?

Is that Shodi from the Tin Works 'Look at them rivets' Canton Beijing

Ming

Coincidentally I'm planning a trip to the RAF museum at Cosford in a few weeks - is there anything you'll need from there? Here's their aircraft (displayed on possibly the worst website in the world) http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/cosford/collections/aircraft/aircraft_collection_cosford.cfm

I still have a rubbish camera but I'll try to find someone who's got a better one. I suppose Kodak Crap-o-Camera is better than nothing anyway...

edit: they have a prone-pilot F8, the Meteor prototype, the NF.14,and a T7. Also the Valiant, an Argosy, York, Lincoln, Canadair Sabre...

Well, actually we are interested in photos of any F.8 or FR.9 (which is F.8 with cameras in the nose section). I mentioned Hendon, because, judging from i-net photos, it is displayed with landing flaps lowered. And this is one of the areas, we are interested in.

As for the prone-pilot F.8, the aiframe and the rear cockpit should be almost the same, as in the standard F.8. So, if you could make shots of the landing gear wells, flap wells, wing fillets and the rear cockpit - that would be very helpful. Well, or at least anything from the listed above...

Sabre would be interesting also, particulary the cockpit. But it is a loe priority, since, basically, this model is done already.

But when will BoB be released?



S! Comp

I can go and take lots of pics of this one:

http://www.airmuseum.be/aircraftondisplay/images/meteor8.jpg

French-language page on the Meteor in Belgian service:
http://www.ailes-militaires-belges.be/fiches_meteor_f8.htm

Would that be good for you?

Sure. I will appriciate detailed photos of any Meteor F.8. As I wrote above, I asked about that particular one at Hendon, because it seems to be the only one displayed with flaps lowered.

So, if you can take photos of the parts and views, listed in the first post - we will greatley appriciate this, for sure.

Also, another question to Londoners: can you adwise on how to get to Hendon museum from London, using public trasportation. One Russian guy plans visit to London in the beginning of December and promissed to make few photos also. But he asks the directions to the place.

Wow very cool. Can't wait to see these planes in action!

I think I am more excited about the Korean sim than BoB.

Hi,
Getting there, just get on the Northern line and get of at Colindale tube and 5 min walk the rest of the way.
Here is map on there web site.

Hope this helps,

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/london/planavisit/travelling.cfm

yours stu

SaQSoN

Vladimir check Pms

Stu, thanks for the directions. Hope, he'll find the way.

Ivan - PM sent. Big thanks!

Saqson, have you seen these walkaround sites (all other links are from that first site. The last link shows flap detail):

http://aircraftwalkaround.hobbyvista.com/meteor/meteor.htm

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/meteorreferecepg_1.htm

http://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft/meteor/meteorf3.shtml

http://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft/meteor/meteornf14.shtml

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/meteorf8refgc_1.htm

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/meteorf8t7refbg_1.htm

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/meteorhendonbg_1.htm

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/meteorf9sm_1.htm


Also these walkaround pictures (flaps detail on page 2):

http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/isaac_gershman/meteor_nf-13/

Saqson, I have got a lot of photos and a walk-around (well, crawl-around actually!) movie for you now.

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The 100+ full-size photos are in the following Powerarchiver zip-file:

http://dalsgaard.eu/Pics/Zips/2007-11-25.Brussels.Air.Museum.Gloster.Meteor.Mk.VIII.zip

The zipped movie is here:

http://dalsgaard.eu/Pics/Zips/2007-11-25.1.Brussels.Air.Museum.Gloster.Meteor.Mk.VIII.SD.zip

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This is the Brussels Air Museum Meteor Mk. VIII in question:


Imagine my pleasure when I saw that the flaps were deployed!:


From the rear:


One of the pics I took of the nose gear well:


Main gear well:


Some other interesting planes, a late-model Spit:



And a Vampire:



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I hope you can use these. I tried to take some "isometric" zoom photos of the flaps from the rear, but anyway, you can see all that in the zips...

Cool, did you air the tires up while you were there?

I should have, shouldn't I?

Nice work, Freycinet!

G’day SaQSoN

There is also a flying F.8 located in Australia, located here Aussie F.8 , I think it may be an idea to contact them as they may be able to assist you with flying references.

Spud

Hi,

First of all, sorry for the late reply. We were in the middle of certain organisational changes lately, which took whole my attention.

Due to the above our priorities slightly changed and Meteor have been moved down in our "to do" list. So we now have more time to assemble even more reference for it, which is, actually, good.

Huge thanks to everybody, who already supplied us with refernce, particulary to Freycinet. Hope, the floor in the museum wasn't too dirty.

As for the Australian F.8, I think and hope, we already have a contact with them.

However, that doesn't mean, we don't need any more refs on that plane. Taking in account, what we already have, the main priority now is the cockpit.

Appart from the Meteor, we are also interested in walkarounds and detailed shots of the following planes:

Avro Anson Mk.I

Gloster Gladiator Mk.II

Bristol Beaufighter Mk.IF

Bf.108

Hello!

That's funny I would not have associated those planes with 'project Galba" ...So I gather you are subcontracting! But didn't we see a long time ago (2 years) 3D renderings of these planes? Does that mean their development was stopped all this time?

JV

Copies of many Bf 108 Manuals you can get here:

http://www.luftfahrt-archiv-hafner.de/

But you will know this address I guess. All manuals in digital form on a CD are 50 Euros, look for "Messerschmitt Bf 108 B und D Kompendium".

G'day SaQSoN

There are some F.8 Cockpit walk-arounds here:

.....and some more BAF F.8 shots here:

There is also a T.7 about 2km from where I work that could be useful for landing gear and wing detail shots, if you still need that sort of info I can visit the museum which is something I have been meaning to do for a while anyway, they also have a DAP Beaufighter Mk.21 (A8-328) which could also be useful for some comon detail references. Just let me know.

Thanks for the links.

I guess, some photos of the Mk21 won't hurt. So, yes, we'd be glad, if you'll make and post or upload them somewhere.

As for what parts we may need - just a usual "suspects", as described in Meteor request: landing gear and wells, flaps, fillets, cockpits, some particulary curved surfaces, various small details, etc.
Some general views from different angles would be usefull too.

saqson why wont you post at 1C or UBI forum instead? I'm curious..

G'day SaQSoN

So my next question is how soon do you need the Mk.21 stuff?

ASAP

As many years experience tells me, SimHQ produces much better quality and faster responce, then any other similar place, I know.

That is why.

OK honest answer but with many years of experiences as well you are again satisfied with not much.

Best regards,

No problem Saqson, I am happy to help and pay a bit back for all my enjoyment with Il-2 etc. You can also see it as a down payment for my hopefully future enjoyment with BoB and other sims in the SoW series!

At the Brussels museum the have a French post-war produced version of the Bf.108: the Nord 1002 Pingouin. Would it be any help to have photos of that one you think? Maybe it is too different from the German original, I don't know...

Picture here:
http://www.airmuseum.be/aircraftondisplay/images/nord1002.jpg

As far, as I know, it has different engine and cockpit layout. So, I guess, we may wait for now, hoping that someone would be able to help with the original 108.

G'day SaQSoN

I doubt that I will be able to get access to the inside but I will ask and see what they say, in regards to ASAP..... well I will be unable to get there this weekend as my brother is having his anual pre-Christmas fly-in/bbq, but I will try and get to the museum the following weekend, I hope you can wait until then.

Spud

If you haven't done it already, I think you should cross-post this latest request regarding the other planes in the Il-2 forum.

Info on Meteor should be obtainable from here I would think as they have
a flying F.8

http://www.aviationmuseum.com.au/

Well Spud, I don't you (or any one else) to get me wrong. When I write "ASAP", I don't expect you to run over there immidiately. To my knowlege, ASAP means As Soon, As Possible. So, please, take your time and do it when and if it will be possible.

A couple of old Anson pictures showing some detail:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/fa_18342sanson.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/fa_17764sanson.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/ansonPL-3765.jpg

http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=K4VJJ37U

Bf-108 28mb

More Anson pictures (1940):

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Anson_c02.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/anson_c04.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/anson_c05.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/anson_c03.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/anson_c06.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/anson_c08.jpg

Wartime colour photos:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/anson_c09.jpg

After 1940, unknown date This might not be an Anson,Oxford maybe?:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/anson_c10.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/anson_c11.jpg

Engine:
http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/engine_cheetah.html

BTW here is a sound locator picture (re an earlier topic):
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Predictor_1.jpg

Thnaks for the links. Those are very usefull.

On this two pictures:

anson_c10.jpg
anson_c11.jpg

is actually Oxford, as you correctly pointed.

5,78mb


http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=G9QKWLZP

Wow, great stuff! Thanks, Morgi!

One13 posted Meteor pics at Ubi:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/3281009416/p/1

Some of these might be useful.

Beaufighter:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Bristol20Beaufighter20Mk20IC-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Bristol_Beaufighter_Conington_in-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Bristol_Beaufighter_JM_179-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Beaufighter__-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/beau21maingearbg_1.jpg



Gladiator:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Gloster20Gladiator20Mk20I.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Gladiator01.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/desertglad1024-1.jpg

Meteor:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/meteor3s1024.jpg

Beaufighter walkarounds :

Beaufighter walkaround 1 (note there are several pages on this site):

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/beau21referecebg_1.htm

Walkaround 2 /detail
http://www.internetmodeler.com/2002/august/aviation/beaufighter.htm

Walkaround 3 (note there are several pages on this site):
http://ipmsauckland.hobbyvista.com/Gallery/Real/TF.X/tf.x_4.htm

Meteor Warpaint:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YA4TC9C7

65MB

SaQSoN

PM sent!

Meteor F.8 pics
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/3281009416/p/2

Hello, guys.

Thanks for the links!

I am now loking for Anson landing gear kinematics scheme. Or, at least close-up photos of the landing gear folding mechanism.

Maybe someone at the Shuttleworth Collection might be able to help with this information.

Shuttleworth Collection e-mail is on this site page:

http://www.shuttleworth.org/shuttleworth_home.asp

Shuttleworth Anson (low quality):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl5fa3dlUsg

Some Anson pictures showing the framework/construction:

http://www.oldprops.ukhome.net/Anson%20Photographs.htm


More Anson pictures on this site:
http://www.adastra.adastron.com/aircraft/anson/anson-fleet.htm

Best examples from the site:

http://www.adastra.adastron.com/company/unit2.jpg

http://www.adastra.adastron.com/aircraft/anson/vh-ago-2.jpg

This is captioned as being taken 1945:

http://www.adastra.adastron.com/aircraft/anson/vh-agg-3.jpg

http://www.adastra.adastron.com/aircraft/anson/vh-aga-10.jpg

http://www.adastra.adastron.com/aircraft/anson/vh-bkz-4.jpg

http://www.adastra.adastron.com/aircraft/anson/w2599-2.jpg

also from the site, on flying the Anson:

http://www.adastra.adastron.com/ops/anson-wb.htm

e-mail adresses to all british museums with Ansons are on the links at the bottom of this page:

http://www.britishaircraft.co.uk/aircraftpage.php?ID=6

Anson restoration !!!:

Restoration picture gallery:

http://gmam.ca/anson_pix_index.htm

examples of pictures:

http://gmam.ca/images/Anson_Oct06_01.jpg

http://gmam.ca/images/Anson_undercarriage_side.jpg

http://gmam.ca/images/Anson_details_UC.jpg

http://gmam.ca/images/Anson%20Eng%20070906.JPG






The project site page:

http://gmam.ca/anson_project.htm


Examples of articles on the restoration project:

http://gmam.ca/anson_update_apr06.htm

http://gmam.ca/anson_update_jul07.htm

http://gmam.ca/anson_update_aug07.htm

You can reach the project team at the e-mail adress at the bottom of this page:

http://gmam.ca/anson.htm

HUGE thanks, major-setback!

You provide extremally usefull information, as usual. I wonder, how you manage to find it?

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Well, I have another pics request here. We need images of the Bristol Mercury IX engine, particulary, it's rear side with magnettos and carburator, etc. So far, couldn't find anything suitable myself, unfortunately...

I found it by accident by typing Avro Anson in the internet explorer adress section at the top of the explorer browser, instead of using google, which is what I thought I was doing. There seems to be a microsoft search fuction now!!!!

Your'e welcome! I am happy to be able to contribute in this small way to the project.

Tip. Searching for 'restoration' or similar helps! Also I search for Anson pilot, Anson crew, Anson interior, Anson engine, Anson training etc.

http://www.fallingpixel.com/product.php/3281

I don't expect these are any good to you, you have probably seen them before. At least one of the pictures is not be the right mark of engine!:

(Click for a larger picture):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Mercury


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bristol_Mercury.jpg

http://search.live.com/images/results.as...ry%2520VIII.JPG

http://www.enginehistory.org/G&jJBrossett/Bristol%20Mercury%20VIII.JPG

More :

http://rides.webshots.com/album/470333711fZfgNm


Engine:

http://image50.webshots.com/150/3/38/22/470333822LCKSRU_fs.jpg

http://image56.webshots.com/56/3/39/10/470333910aQrgaZ_fs.jpg

http://image55.webshots.com/155/3/38/16/470333816MtcWaG_fs.jpg

these above pictures sometimes wont show, so i uploaded them to my photobucket page:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/470333822LCKSRU_fs.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/470333910aQrgaZ_fs.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/470333816MtcWaG_fs.jpg


http://www.ozatwar.com/museums/fotam.htm

http://www.oldcmp.net/anson.html

more from this good picture site:

http://www.webshots.com/search?media=photo&query=anson&queryChannel=&sortBy=&source=search_menu


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/471311133JgvMXX_fs.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/471312515UmaEpe_fs.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/471313439WEtxtA_fs.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/471314168PySuqn_fs.jpg

Beaufighter

http://www.provenancefightersales.com/beaufight.htm

also
mk 21:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/1154137.jpg

mk XI

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/0683734.jpg

A good site indeed MS:

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2630253330093002311WDEGnv
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2660623170093002311dJgxaD
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2862041990044250529yOFgXO

http://mitglied.lycos.de/thomas_genth/Me108_1.jpg

http://tagazous.free.fr/photos/highdef/4363.jpg

More Anson old pictures (note: 3 site pages):

http://www.rcaf.com/archives/archives_photographs/no6efts/AvroAnson/index.php

They are from this search site:

http://www.rcaf.com/search/search.php?zoom_query=cockpit

Even more Anson (click on the magnifying glass for full size):

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1470426259071445460BeStTD

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1470426442071445460bRXuEn

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1470427010071445460TeICWQ

Beaufigter:

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1470427031071445460pxgdmA

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1470426864071445460gkyJtR

Gladiator (I don't know if you need the Bristol Mercury for the Gladiator or not. Do you?).

Click on the magnifying glass for a bigger image:

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2814266240047831086YjrRJl

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2765538670028907901cMrmJU

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2371210070028907901yOryVK

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2799714270048346142wZDHwP

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/m493WpKHaJbTFIn-ezzglg



Gloster Gladiator 'Faith':


http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2466630560089791483tvAJqR

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2735148140089791483dTQcMK

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2002782760089791483QNQQsM






Cockpit:

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1400677538042223612xUeufl

Pictures are from here:

http://www.webshots.com/search?media=pho..._noresults_menu

http://www.webshots.com/search?media=pho...rce=search_menu

Wikipedia :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Gloster_Gladiator_fuselage_gun.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...uselage_gun.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Gloster_Gladiator2.JPG

J8A Swedish Gladiator:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Gloster_Gladiator_Cockpit.jpg


Low quality Cheetah and Mercury engines:

http://www.maltaaviationmuseum.com/engines.asp

If you could get a close up picture of this...at Hendon (the RAF Museum):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/barryslemmings/117906713/

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=245304865&size=o

http://image03.webshots.com/3/8/75/65/27387565LvqtUVoqVU_ph.jpg

http://image22.webshots.com/23/4/14/19/207941419mRoZHZ_ph.jpg





http://farm1.static.flickr.com/59/195468039_1d39c267e0_o_d.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2200/2155371519_2086a2bf90_b_d.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/86/245237184_cc05247162_b_d.jpg

Anson cockpit and others:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/01fa09cc52f8af2e8e740cb000b1c716.jpg

right side of cockpit:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/2901d9139a755fab605d246406f595a5.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/166806475c4a9f8df2be1d51693b71da.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/ded377b47c6af057dc1321189e681ca2.jpg



http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/9fbf1c1f3ebaff6596a62d6caec1127a.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/11d758a21a2aa40b1fedd0350545127a.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/720a9e7f4acc032569ffca976312762d.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/429741968a6d4c99dfc683bd3e74fb07.jpg

restoration:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/f7321b3c00a20b0cc28b04dface7276b.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/d660a5c3bd30b66f195015a9972d5fe5.jpg

I don't know if this aircraft is the same as is in the two pictures above:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/6263e283c4fc1de20e5e49f8b56b6bba.jpg

The above pictures were taken from here:
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/index.php



Anson wakaround/landing film (showing inside of nose-window and engine)):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgrkkqmN64E&feature=related

Note what it says in the accompanying notes About This Video (the bottom of the notes):
"Development continued during and after the war, culminating in the adaption of the civilian Avro XIX for service use as the Anson C19. With a completely re-designed fuselage, and metal wings and tail plane, this second generation Anson continued in RAF service until 1968."



http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/AnsonCockpit3_AWM_16May04.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/AnsonCockpit2_AWM_16May04.jpg



http://www.47airnavigationschool.co.uk/images/Anson%20cockpit.jpg

http://www.47airnavigationschool.co.uk/images/Anson%20interior.jpg

http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/H25_Anson_WOpAGs.jpg

http://website.lineone.net/~biggles200/images/BKS019.jpg

http://plans.aerofred.com/data/media/54/anson_1_3v.jpg

http://plans.aerofred.com/data/media/54/anson_2_3v.jpg


The following are Anson V:

http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/databases/images/KM1984.jpg

http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/databases/images/KM1985.jpg

http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/databases/images/KM1986.jpg

http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/databases/images/KM2006.jpg

These were taken from:
http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/collections/image_bank/search.shtml

This is described as possibly 1943:
http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/CommunityMemories/AARZ/00ca/image/original/AARZ00ca000m.jpg

http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/CommunityMemories/AARZ/00ca/image/original/AARZ00ca000l.jpg

http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/CommunityMemories/AARZ/00ca/image/original/AARZ00ca000n.jpg

June 1941:
http://www.junobeach.org/e/4/img/PL-3740lrg.jpg

Ontario 1940, I don't know what engine this is (it's mounted for maintainance training):
http://www.junobeach.org/e/4/img/PL-1035lrg.jpg

interior:

http://www.weeda.com/NewsImages/air%20museum%20inside%20anson.jpg

Duxford´s Anson.

http://s110605900.websitehome.co.uk/beams/anson-1.jpg

http://s110605900.websitehome.co.uk/beams/anson-3.jpg

http://s110605900.websitehome.co.uk/beams/anson-2.jpg



Anson Flap indicator:

http://www.spitfirespares.com/SpitfireSpares.com/Website%20products%2095/Anson-flap-large-1.jpg

rear:

http://www.spitfirespares.com/SpitfireSpares.com/Website%20products%2095/Anson-flap-large-2.jpg

From here......:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/AnsonFlapGauge.jpg

...on this site page:

http://www.spitfirespares.com/SpitfireSpares.com/Pages/instruments4.html


Bubble sextant (I dont know what that does but it's captioned as "Used RAF training command 1940-43 on Avro Ansons in England".):
http://www.warbirdsite.com/sextantbubble.jpg

more pictures of the bubble sextant on this page:

http://www.spitfirespares.com/SpitfireSpares.com/Pages/pilotequip2.html


Anson Radio specialised in detecting German radio homing beams (exact date of use of this I dont know). Reading the text it seems like this would be a rare piece of equipment:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/AnsonRadio.jpg

Video of the radio in place!:

http://www.spitfirespares.com/SpitfireSpares.com/Pages/radio.html

Note on the radio seen in the video (from the above link):
"Churchill ordered a flight to try to detect the beams. Avro Anson's were equipped with an American Hallicrafters S-27 (then the only known receiver capable of receiving the 40 MHz signal) The Anson was far from ideal being slow, cold and extremely noisy. It was the only aircraft capable of carrying the radio set and the motor-generator set required to power it that could be spared. The motor-generator was required because the S-27 was a mains powered set but the Anson only had a 28 volt DC electrical system.

The German Lorenz directed an aircraft down a line, so two crossed beams could be used to fix a single spot. Several systems based on this idea were studied through the 1930s. Lorenz had a range of about 30 miles, enough for blind-landing but not good enough for bombing raids over England. In addition the beams of Lorenz were deliberately set wide enough that they could be easily picked up at some distance from the runway centre line, but this meant their accuracy at long ranges was fairly limited. This was not a problem for blind landing, where the distance covered by the fan-shaped beams decreased as the airplane approached the transmitters, but for use in the bombing role this would be reversed and the system would have maximum inaccuracy over the target".

More information on this sort of interception (I have'nt read all of this , so it might be another system):

http://s110605900.websitehome.co.uk/beams/beam-main-a.htm






Anson bombs, and other views:

http://www.spitfirespares.com/SpitfireSpares.com/Pages/Avro%20Anson.html

Anson Walkaround (bombs shown):

http://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft/anson/anson_walk.shtml

Another walkaround:

http://www.detailpics.net/ansongal.htm


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/1021260.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/0833105.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/0788808.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/0466119.jpg



These give a rough idea of the layout, and of paint schemes:

http://www.swannysmodels.com/Instructions/Anson.html


Two lots of Beaufighter instruments on this page (probably on following pages too) and cockpit photos (click to enlarge):

http://www.spitfirespares.com/SpitfireSpares.com/Pages/instruments.html

Well, a sextant is one of the oldest pieces of navigational equipment that exists! - It would be called a bubble sextant, because they used it from inside the perspex bubble on most of the multi-engined aircraft of WWII.

Meteor F.8 details/Walkaround:

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/dapbeaufortpm_1.htm

more:

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/dapbeaufortpm_1.htm

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/dapbeaufortpm_1.htm

Anson Turret (it did not have a motor):

The caption of this cutaway says it's an Oxford. But the turret is the same as the original one used for the Anson 1, the armstrong Whitworth turret.

http://www.flightglobal.com/imagearchive...d-Oxford-LW.jpg

From here (there are some interesting engine cutaway views on the site):

http://www.flightglobal.com/staticpages/cutaways.html



There is a Beaufighter Pilot's Notes PDF, and another one on the tail lock, for download here (you must log on - for free):

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/other-mechanical-systems-tech/beaurfighter-pilots-manual-5055.html


Beaufighter II Technical Manual can be viewed online here (you might not need to log-in to see these - I'm unsure):

http://www.tailwheel.nl/b/bristolbeaufighter/index.html


Other manuals (including one for the meteor 7) are listed as links here....:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/archive/f-64.html

....or here....:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/other-mechanical-systems-tech/

...or here:

http://www.tailwheel.nl/a/aviata1ahusky/manuals/index.html






Excellent diagrams here - The Anson Technical Manual (not the same as Pilot's Notes)! At the bottom of the page:

http://www.tailwheel.nl/a/avroanson/index.html

Big thanks again! The Tech manual is the most valuable thing! With the level of detail, we model now - it is absolutely nessesary addition to our references.

Just one question: The Anson was mainly used as a training aircraft, right?

Roger..

It was also used by Coastal Command to hunt u-boats at the start of the war.

During 1938-1940 it mainly used as coastal patrol aircraft (not just sub chaser). It was also designed initially for this role.

Up to 1940.. Coastal Command duties.
1940-1942... Employed for air sea rescue.
1942 onwards. Trainer for pilots navigators and air gunners, and was extensively used for communication and liason duties..

Thanks guys!

More Anson detail:

http://picasaweb.google.com/bamf.bamrs/CVG001Avro652AAnsonC19ArrivalInBelgiumForRoyalArmyMuseum

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ZbSWdHymceMg4DhKCvOy0A

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1163/1397332187_d2d15e88b9_o.jpg

engine:

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/searchbrowse?q=avro+anson&uname=bamf.bamrs&psc=G&filter=1#0+1

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/89/430762848_7f71777db0_b.jpg



prop/engine close up:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/101/276626985_de9b771e59_o.jpg

Cut-away wing detail:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/100/276626980_91e1be5f33_o.jpg

Interior Canadian museum British Columbia:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/151/341171896_66cf34d5d0_o.jpg

interior:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/anson080207da.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/anson080207a.jpg

Captioned as being from 1945:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/anson080207ba.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/anson080207ca.jpg

Some more Anson images:

http://photo.starnet.ru/Thematic_Wallpap...Anson/index.htm

http://photo.starnet.ru/Thematic_Wallpap...son/index_2.htm

Ansons in Egypt (Greece), for later reference. There is also a colour scheme on the same page:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sho...83&postcount=49

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1642494&postcount=50

Both are from this thread:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79617&page=4

Hi,

Thnaks again, major-setback, this is all usefull, as usual. I've almost finished the Anson by now and your help was very importnat for my work.

We now need more refs on bomber variants of Do-215. I guess, it is more difficult task, since, as far, as I know, no plane of that type exists by now.

If anyone have photos, or pictures from manuals, which haven't yet been published in various books - feel free to post them here.

Well ... a quick glance at http://www.ww2.dk shows that the Do-215 was not used as bomber but as strategic recon aircraft and (for a short time at least) nightfighter. If you decided to model it thoroughly then do so as a recon plane. It would offer a new type of mission and role for the player

do you realy mean the DB601 driven "Do17" variant, called Do215, only or the whole Do17 famaly ?

http://rapidshare.com/files/97999100/do215.rar.html

http://www.wiki.luftwaffedata.co.uk/wiki/images/archive/f/f3/20071011215813%21DO215_B4.jpg

The Do-215 according to the caption:
http://image22.webshots.com/23/5/32/59/235753259CdFnfD_fs.jpg
The picture might not show, so I uploaded it:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/235753259CdFnfD_fs.jpg

Another :

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/6705ca906d2beb396d3649765ca01103.jpg



Pictures:

http://www.luftwaffephotos.com/ldo2151.htm

http://www.luftwaffephotos.com/ldo2152.htm



I have no idea of the difference between the Do-215 and the Do-217.
This is the Do-217 manual though, in case it is of some use:

http://www.histavia21.net/MAN217/do217-%20N1.htm

BTW Here is a second manual for the Beaufighter, in case you haven't seen it. I havenv't looked properly through this so I don't know if it's of any use.


http://www.burrowes.org/FamilyTree/E.F.G.Burrowes_LogBook/extras/Beaufighter-Manual/


From:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/other-m...ition-5202.html

Other manuals: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/other-mechanical-systems-tech/

Information on the DB601 engine, I'm not sure it was used for Do 215, i'm just going by the information earlier in this thread (register for free to see this):

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/engines/db-601a-engine-11010.html

Also. There's a short pdf on British engines showing a Bristol Mercury engine, Here
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/engines/british-aircraft-engine-11229.html

From the 'engines' section, Here:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/technical/


I don't know if this is any use - beaufighter Hercules XI table:
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/engines/beau-fighter-hercules-xi-table-8936.html


Meteor IV flight test report ( a bit early for your model maybe)

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/engines/gloster-meteor-performance-report-7546.html

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/5b1a.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/do215_2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Do-215.jpg

http://www.airpages.ru/draw/do215_1.gif

Link with cockpit picture:

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/vi...66&no=24&tt=282


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/do215_alps.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/do215-turbo.jpg



Dornier 17z (similar cockpit maybe? All of these interiors are from the Do 17z:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/cockp1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/cockp2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/cockp3.jpg

Captioned -"Underneatch the 'bar stool' lies, or in this case, kneels the lower rear (venteral) gunner. The folding seat for the bomberaimer is to the left folded up":
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/cockp4.jpg


Captioned -"View into the cockpit with the emergency escape hatch removed":
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/cockp5.jpg

Captioned as Do17-215 nose:

http://www.arrowwarbirds.com/images/3.0.3.4%20Do-%2017%20%20215%20nose%20section.jpg

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTb_1b3dlHHw...es/Do17nose.jpg


http://www.arrowwarbirds.com/images/3.0.3.4.%20view%20of%20nose%20section%20Do-17%20%20215.jpg

Do17 tail:

http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/Luftwaffe/relics/images/Do17tail.jpg

I'm unsure of this type::

http://www.vif2ne.ru/smf/forum/files/And...vl_07-08-41.jpg

The above is from:

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/vi...no=217&tt=15620



1940, unknown aircraft:


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/53027427.jpg


Unknown aircraft, captioned as 'German bomber':

http://www.grafixnpix.com/wwii/bmbrair.jpg

Pictures of the cockpit of Do17E (once again - I don't know how much this differs from the Do 215)

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...l%3Dsv%26sa%3DN


example from that site page:

http://www.swannysmodels.com/images/Do17EF/Do17Mcockpit1.bmp

Wikipedia DB 601A

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler-Benz_DB_601

Picture from that page of DB601A:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Daimler-Benz-DB_601A_Schnitt.jpg

This book may be useful:

http://misc.kitreview.com/bookreviews/do17airdocbookreviewbg_1.htm

Buy the book here:

http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=AIRCAPA3

DB601A:

http://www.wdic.org/proc/plug/MILI/db601a.jpg

DB601!!!!:

http://www.luzinde.com/meisaku/zero/db601.jpg

WoW. Nice pictures here, Do 215B:

http://spasticforplastic.1hwy.com/TRANSIENTS/Do%20215.html





Also.

Do17Z

http://www.historyofwar.org/Pictures/Do_17Z_1.jpg

Do17Z:

http://www.historyofwar.org/Pictures/Do_17Z_3.jpg


Nice big drawings(sorry, they are the Do 217):

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachm..._no_161_937.jpg


http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachm...cutaway_170.jpg

WOW indeed! Geat find MS!

More information on the Do 215, with a very nice cut-away drawing:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/technical/dornier-bomber-11224.html


More pictures of both Do17 and Do 215:

http://www.luchtoorlog.be/do17.htm


Do17Z10 cockpit:

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/do17z.html

I may have posted this already:

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww2/do215.html


Colour schemes from the wings pallete site:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/2_64.jpg

Information on this aircraft at the bottom right of this page:

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/325/2/5

More here.

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/325/2/6

Here's a detailed section drawing of the cockpit area (from both side and above) and bomb arrangement:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/fjjjsfrc4.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/vsdfvgsdmx0.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/ggsgsqb8.jpg


Photos:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/dghdgjwf3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/xjdfjgdfjgvp3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/se3ji6.jpg

All pictures are from here (they won't load/save from that web page):

http://www.elgrancapitan.org/portal/aviaci-n/dornier-do-17z-y-do-215-2.html



http://www.mit.bme.hu/~tade/ac-pict/Hung-AF/pre-1945/Do/do215front.jpg

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/data/550/942eb2be1ba5e32ddbf0039959bb6e96.jpg




http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/data/550/9f66cd7c64920313fa67198225874fa8.jpg

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/data/550/2d992886fec11c1631c09c81cbe46da1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/47/Do215_2.jpg



German aircraft radios (other countries on the menu at the left of the page):
http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...l%3Dsv%26sa%3DN

If you are going to do recon do a JU-86P. I hope you are not keeping the tradition of making rare aircraft while keeping out necessary models like IL2 has done!!

Books (far down the page):


Do 215 (the link to Do17 on this page doesn't work):

http://military-machine.blogspot.com/2007_11_18_archive.html

more:

http://military-machine.blogspot.com/sea...&max-results=20


Do17 (this link works) Shows a good drawing in large scale showing wing thicknesses. I don't know if it's the same wing as the Do-215:

http://military-machine.blogspot.com/sea...&max-results=20

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EDIT:

From those -


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard01-3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard02-2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard03-3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard04-3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard06-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard07-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard08-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard09-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard10-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard11-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard12-1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard13.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard14.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard15.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard16.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard17.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard18.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard19.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard20.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard21.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard22.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard23.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard24.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard25.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard26.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard27.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard28.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard29.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard30.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard31.jpg

Do 215 only:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard32.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard33.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard34.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard35.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard36.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard37.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard38.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard39.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard40.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard41.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard42.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard43.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard44.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard45.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard46.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard47.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard48.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard49.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard50.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard51.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard52.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard53.jpg

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Unrelated to this thread - more aircraft books here, and also at the bottom the page click on 'older posts', (needs several clicks sometimes):

http://military-machine.blogspot.com/search/label/Aviation

Do 215, Do 17


http://www.luftfahrt-archiv-hafner.de/dornier.htm

http://www.ianallanpublishing.com/product.php?productid=44744

http://www.flashie.nl/T/BS/BS208180.HTM

More flight manuals (no Dorniers) for purchase. Meteor III is on page 6:

http://www.eflightmanuals.com/detail/itemList.asp?cID=16

More pictures Do-17, Do-215

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard01-4.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard02-3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard03-4.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard04-4.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard05-2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard06-2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard07-2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard08-2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Clipboard10-2.jpg

Can anybody tell me what is happening on this picture MS posted:

Crop-dusters taking things too seriously over Kansas. Weevils report "We are not the enemy"

Ming

I also take it that it had a longer career in the other air arms of the Commonwealth (eg. as a sub-chaser in Canada?)

SaQSoN: Can you please let me know when you have saved the Dornier pictures/links i posted. I want to delete a couple of posts!!
Thank you.

BTW how is it going with the Beaufighter and Bf108 information? Do you need more references? Anything specific?

E-bay.

Dornier Do-215B Pilots handbook (I think) for sale:

http://cgi.ebay.at/Dornier-Do-215-B-1-Ko...bayphotohosting



Do-17Z handbook:

http://cgi.ebay.at/Dornier-Do-17-Z-Kauz-...1742.m153.l1262



Other handbooks for dornier types for sale including the Do-217 technical manual:

http://stores.ebay.at/Buchvertrieb-AH_Dornier_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ8495243QQftidZ2QQtZkm

I think, I downloaded them all, thanks.

No, we don't need 108 and Beaufighter info so far. It may change though, when and if we will start Beafighter cockpits. But I can not say exactly what we may need then.

An interesting looking book on 1940's aircraft, looks like some sort of technical book. browse the pages ( low res ) - on the site.

http://cgi.ebay.ch/T-E-Soennichsen-DAS-F...1QQcmdZViewItem

Flight handbook (Pilot notes?) for Do-215B for sale on CD:

http://www.luftfahrt-archiv-hafner.de/cd_rom_liste_teil2.htm


http://www.luftfahrt-archiv-hafner.de/

I don't think I posted this link before on the Do 215

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...m%3D1%26hl%3Dsv

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/339/do215b4sw0.jpg

Why is a Do215 being modeled?

So that Oleg can avoid being asked " Why isn't the Do-215 being modelled?"


I imagine the developers want at least one type for each aircraft role. ie recon.


Do-215 squadrons in BoB:

1(F)/124
1(F)/Aufkl.Gr.Okl
2(F)/Aufkl.Gr.Okl
3(F)/Aufkl.Gr.Okl

SaQSoN: You should look at this site for detailed reference on propellers and engines:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2601013236/m/4571033256?r=4571033256#4571033256


Cheetah engine:

http://www.enginehistory.org/Piston/AS/a-s.htm

Pardon. That must be:

1.(F)/124
1.(F)/ObdL
2.(F)/ObdL
3.(F)/ObdL

Just to keep the nomenclature correct.

You know more than I do about this. I was just quoting from a source I had at hand.

And I was just being a cheeky pedant.

Been to the Yorkshire Air Museum last week and can highly recommend it. They also have an Anson under restauration (Sorry about the big pics but I can't be asked to resize them now):

















































I believe these Wings belong to the Anson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp478Tgm5gg

Impressive! Guess we will be able to train that as well once SoW comes out

Thnaks for the photos and interesting video. I've seen photos of this accident, but didn't know the story behind it...

Anyway, here is another question for you: which propeller should be modelled for the LW Bf-108 of the BoB period? There were many variants and we can not decide, which to model. 1C also doesn't have answer for us, so may be someone here may suggest something?

Taifun links:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/taifun01.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/taifun02.jpg



The above is from this link:

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/o/347/2/0



Walkaround!!!!:

http://www.trylit.isp.pl/bf-108/page/image5.html





interesting pictures:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/thomas_genth/id67.htm

http://www.usmbooks.com/Me-108_taifun.html







2 books on the bf 108:

http://www.motorbooks.co.uk/showsect.asp?id=218&pageno=2#57888

Hello SaQSoN!

According to my info, the first "military" 108 was the 108B2 which received mostly a fixed pitch Heine wooden propeller even if some of them also got a fixed pitch Schwartz wooden propeller (a.k.a. the "Storch" propeller: see images of the Lufthansa D-EFBW, which may have a modern equivalent, though) or an Argus mechanically-variable pitch propeller (system also used on the Fw-189 or the Arado 96B).
The 108D1 variant which was the most produced during the war, in Germany first and then in France after 1941 received the Me-P7 mechanically-variable pitch propeller. The Me P7 propeller is the one where the propeller plane of rotation is very much forward of the spinner (look at photos of the D-ESBH belonging to EADS) and where the pitch adjustment system is purely mechanical in opposition to the Argus which has an aerodynamically assisted pitch variation system (the famous bladelets on the spinner).
For what can be seen of the early SoW-BoB Bf-108 screens (2 years ago!!!) the model is based on a modern variable pitch propeller (see the Lufthansa D-EBEI).

My 2 cents

JVM

Thanks for the answer. So, I guess, we'll go on with the Heine prop...

The conclusion is that there never was any "standard" Bf-108 in respect of the propeller type...The Heine fixed-pitch was the most prevalent, however the other types of fixed-pitch or mechanically-variable pitch propeller were also valid; most probably a same aircraft could have been equipped with each of them at any time depending on the vagaries of war, supply structure, end-of-war chaos...
If the Bf-108 were to be made in a flyable aircraft (and you are the only one to know...I will not ask!) it may be a good idea to model one of the variable pitch propellers, the primary trainers which were talked about a while ago being fixed-pitch (Bu-131/Fw-44)...

JV

Well, 108 will not be flyable, at least, not in the release. And there aren't plans to make many different variants of it. So, we need to make the most "generic" appearence of it.
Thus, if Heine was most used type of the prop, then we will go for it.

Anyway, thanks again for the help to everyone!

Are you aware of this site?

http://cockpitinstrumente.de/

If you have problems finding references for German instruments this is the site to go to. I found some pictures of Do17Z gauges. Just go through the instrument section ans search for "17". They also have lots of Documents in the "Archive" section.

Thnaks.

Yet, we are not building any BoB cockpits at the moment and do not plan to. As far, as I know, all BoB planes, we are responcible for aren't planned as flyable for the release.

Hi again.

Now I need something different. Can you help with plans, or, at least, with photos of various small tugs, barges, small fishing boats/trawlers, coastal vessels and other small craft used in ports and rivers during 1940-1950 in Westren Europe and/or Korea?

We need to model something generic, suitable for both BoB and Korea to liven up rivers and port facilities.

Foobar and some others were thinking about modeling barges a couple of month ago but they never passed the stage of collecting information. Here a couple of things they found during their search:



http://www.fettben.com/NL/general.html

Finnish ships (for some there are plans if you click on the Names:

http://www.elka.fi/Nayttelyt/laivat/laivasivut/etusivu.html

Probably not relevant for you but good plans:

http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/plans/KM_Pinguin_1939/

Thanks for that link! I've had a German airspeed gauge for a while now, but I had no idea what type of aircraft it may have been fitted to.

So what did you find out?

It's a 1940 model that was fitted to the He 111, Ju 52, and the Do 17.

Also found out my German exterior air temperature gauge was of the last model, made in 1944, and my German course indicator was made in 1942. Cool stuff! I could spend ages looking at that site.

Cool stuff! Where did you get the instruments from?

That site is great and the guy told me that he has now some hundret documents lying around that he needs to put online! Ranging from Pilot's notes to the technical description of the EZ42 Revi (which couldn't be included in '46 because of lack of references IIRC) as well as documents about jet engine developement. I wish some Museums would pick up on that and share their archives this way with the public. That would make life much easier for the sim-developers I guess.

London Barges . Docklands 1938:

http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/dl03_kgvbarges1938y.jpg

This maybe of some help when it come to dock boats and environment (I have't gone through it much):

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...l%3Dsv%26sa%3DN

I got them off eBay years ago. I try to pick up little odds and ends like that when I can, but the German stuff is getting very expensive when it comes to cockpit instruments. I also have an American oxygen flow indicator and an un-used German cockpit switch that was used in various German aircraft, still in the original packaging. Cool stuff.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about the EZ42 when I saw what he has on his page about it. Looks like the Germans had the same idea as the American K-14 sight in regards to setting the crosshair to different sizes based on the aircraft the pilot was targeting.

Some very interesting Pictures:

http://www.ddghansa-shipsphotos.de/

Most of them are Freighters but on some shots you see harbour tugs, barges, etc. (look at the Rotenfels pics for example)

The Dunkirk evacuation involved lots of private boats.

http://www.scouting.milestones.btinternet.co.uk/minotaurimages/minotaurflotilla.jpg

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...m%3D1%26hl%3Dsv

free boat plans (and see the links at the bottom of the page):

http://www.svensons.com/boat/

I hate to sound like a whiner, but wouldn't a small junk or sampan be more appropriate for Korea?

I hate to sound like a smart-arsh, but wouldn't you, please, re-read, my first post?

For some reason, I tend to believe, that sampan, or junk towing a 3 000 - 6 000 ton frighter isn't quite propriate picture.

By 1950s virtually all large ports in the world involved steam and diesel tugs to move ships inside ports and small coastal barges to unload ships at outside anchorage.

For more, or less obvious reasons we want this tugs, barges and cranes to be generic enough for use in most, if not any SoW theatre.

It is also more or less obvious, that we plan certain units, specific to each geographical location, we recreate. Fortunately, we don't need info on those ones just yet.

No drawings but at least appropriate photographs

You might try contacting: http://tugspotters.xsbb.nl/

I doubt that there were very many kinds of tugboat in North Korea's major ports. So, any indepth research will probably yield very specific results. So, if the plan isn't to model two separate tugs (one for BoB and one for Galba) to prototypical standards, any generic tug will likely do about as well (or so is my thinking).

Hi, it's me again.

This time, I need anything, you can get for:

1. He-59C-2
2. He-115B-1

Also, if you will come across something interesting for Fw-200C-1, or CR-42, we may use it too, but that's less important, the the pair above.

We are mostly interested in cockpit areas and internal structures/mechanisms of this aircraft, as well, as their engines.

Thanks in advance and hope, you will be as helpful, as always!

You're doing cockpits now, Vladimir?

Brill, if they are working on cockpits already this game will be out within a few years.

Sooner than expected

We are doing cockpits, but not for the listed subjects. In either way, please, post here only if you got something usefull.
Otherwise, go to one of the "when it will be released" or "BoB is vaporware" topics, please. :p

YES SIR!!

Tree this info-thread is for a commercial project to be released in time for the holiday

Ming

Thanks for putting me in the picture Ming, i thought it was a fantasy thread.

they're restoring a beaufighter at duxford, if I'm not mistaken... maybe somebody, if not too far away, could get there for a few pics "more in detail"

on the flying legends airshow day, I took a couple of pics:


http://tc12f.free.fr/images/duxford2008/CRW_8214.jpg

http://tc12f.free.fr/images/duxford2008/CRW_8215.jpg

It's always good to hear from you about the latest 'developments' for BoB :-).
I am away on holiday at the moment. I will get to work searching for relevant material when I get back home, about 17 August.

Try this site for free book downloads. Page 4 has a Fw200 Condor book and there may be others of interest (I just had a quick look):

http://knigaonline.net//BooksCatalog.aspx?category=Aviation

http://knigaonline.net//BookDetails.aspx?BookName=Fw200%20Condor&id=4581

EDIT: here is another couple of books:

http://knigaonline.net//BookDetails.aspx...or%20II&id=2750

http://knigaonline.net//BookDetails.aspx?BookName=Fw%20200%20Condor&id=2404


Book on the CR42:

http://knigaonline.net//BookDetails.aspx?BookName=Fiat%20CR42&id=2712



These might be useful. I'm at a very slow connection at the moment so I can't check their content:

http://knigaonline.net//BookDetails.aspx?BookName=Aircraft%202%20-%20Luftwaffe&id=2416

http://knigaonline.net//BookDetails.aspx?BookName=Aircraft%201%20-%20Luftwaffe&id=2415

http://knigaonline.net//BookDetails.aspx?BookName=Avions%20098&id=1136

Yep.. its a good site.. I've been registered on there for a few months now..

He 59, some photos:

http://www.revi.cz/cz/revi/59_1.html

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/vi...&sigb=135l9f7dr

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/vi...&sigb=130vqdt6i


http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/vi...&sigb=1308g3b35

He 115 photos (I haven't checked these images):

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/vi...&sigb=12ldea7cg

These from linked pages from above:

http://yhdistykset.etela-karjala.fi/imus...th.vnr_berg.jpg

http://yhdistykset.etela-karjala.fi/imus..._ylik._Vine.jpg

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/vi...&sigb=12ldea7cg

The following two pictures are from here http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/vi...&sigb=13b7pjaoa

http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/Luftwaffe/relics/images/Heinke115.jpg

http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/Luftwaffe/relics/images/He%20115%20Propeller.jpg

He 115C!!!
Model cockpit

http://www.swannysmodels.com/He115.html

check also the following pages on this website:

http://www.avrosys.nu/aircraft/Torped/192T2.htm

Nice clip of He-115 talke-off and landing:

http://scripturn.com/video_CCTKKbOwsEE.html

Two short clips of He-59's:

http://scripturn.com/video_2RPGhVujhfU.html

http://scripturn.com/video_8YYjw0QK0wE.html

He 115 engine recovery from a lake:

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=40030

He 115 profile book for sale:

http://www.motorbooks.co.uk/showsect.asp?id=218

Not the big bang but at least a good drawing for an dutch barge: http://www.barging.co.uk/Elessina/autocaddrawing.htm

Cr42 book:

http://military-machine.blogspot.com/sea...&max-results=20

Two 500kg bombs being hoisted into the He115 bomb bay (middle of the page):

http://hem.passagen.se/hankri/t2.htm

EDITED with larger pictures.

Heinkel 59 photo

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard07-2.jpg

He 115 photos, with text

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard04-3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard03-3.jpg

He115

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard06-2.jpg

text

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard05-2.jpg



http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard07-3.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard08-2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard09-2.jpg




http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard10-2.jpg


He59


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard08-3.jpg

More He115

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/11.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/12.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/13.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/14.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/15.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/16.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/17.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/18.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/19.jpg

Fw200

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard18.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard20.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard20b.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard21.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard22.jpg

He59

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard23.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard24.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard25.jpg

Fw200 C4 cockpit

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard28.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard29.jpg

He115 from below

http://www.9thflottilla.de/9he1151.jpg

Book for sale He115 profile:

http://www.internetmodeler.com/2000/june/new-releases/book_he115.htm

Another book

http://www.buch-arsenal.de/assets/s2dmai...nkel/index.html

He 115 open window hatch

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/images/2aug2.jpg

Here is a really good reference site for German aircraft. I haven't fully searched the site.

http://lwaircraftparts.blogspot.com/search/label/Cockpit%20Ju%2052

http://lwcollectibles.blogspot.com/search/label/Flugboot

EDIT: the following aircraft can be found from the above links (they don't seem to show here now).!!!


Heinkel 59 cockpit:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6cCo5oLDQCc/RzgFfReA8-I/AAAAAAAAD3E/gV84oN81Ep0/s1600/270185808585.JPG

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6cCo5oLDQCc/Rx78U7IJCKI/AAAAAAAAB1I/8a8Lwmfubwc/s1600/120174683782.JPG



Heinkel 115:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6cCo5oLDQCc/RyRKPRojJsI/AAAAAAAACSo/j6H5K_XptxY/s1600/170162589992.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6cCo5oLDQCc/RyRJhhojJnI/AAAAAAAACSE/wINQ0ERBrGQ/s1600/170162576540.jpg


Another link

http://lwcollectibles.blogspot.com/

From the site:

Heinkel He 115 6I+AH :

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6cCo5oLDQCc/R2zcbr-BslI/AAAAAAAAGyg/wEF84e540wc/s1600/270195746322.jpg

He115:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6cCo5oLDQCc/R2zbo7-BshI/AAAAAAAAGyA/XoufZt68O40/s1600/130182990731.JPG


He59

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6cCo5oLDQCc/R2zbzL-BsiI/AAAAAAAAGyI/6TYg8tKlXMs/s1600/270197541160.JPG

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6cCo5oLDQCc/R2zbf7-BsgI/AAAAAAAAGx4/VLQJh2wZSnU/s1600/270197540755.JPG

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6cCo5oLDQCc/R2zbWb-BsfI/AAAAAAAAGxw/hFahaZSpVH8/s1600/270197540262.JPG



Fw200 door:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6cCo5oLDQCc/RxCGb7II7ZI/AAAAAAAAA90/bI_i39Vb-TY/s1600/190162404365.jpg

Cr42 picture for sale.

http://www.photovault.com/show.php?cat=Military/y/oPreWWIIBiplanes?tg=MYOVolume01/MYOV01P02_18

He 59 Red Cross:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/data/556/7400160fe44201465c080fd1529205d9.jpg

He59:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/data/557/c8aa88a2687fec046410e22d4e53ecbb.jpg



Cr42
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/data/549/59f8d561d441584fe37afd8e995c338c.jpg

He115B-1

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/data/556/d9b3b6c47eb7f37b5f57796dd57099c1.jpg


He115:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/data/556/79f0bb0d5bb9c3dd31bfc93b12ab801f.jpg

He115 190 or 1941:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/data/595/f51544c7a71dfbf4ac3c08317dd642c8.jpg


All from this site:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/showphoto.php?photo=6683&size=big&cat=556

I have quite good collection of refences for the He115's
I've built it 3 times, last time also internally, the only part I miss good coverage is the ceiling of the "kanzel" forward glazed compartment and also some missing info for the rear cockpit, but I know it very well.
I've got both photgraphic and text coverage information for it. I have info for all instrumentation and so on.
Only prob, I'm not at home now so I can't get acces to it untill after sept 20th if you can wait

Here my last Max model of the C model..
a WIP

finished

Very, very nice Nils!

Yes, very nice. I remember seeing that render, and maybe even a few more angles of it. I had in mind to mention it here, but I lost the copies I had of your pictures with a computer crash. Glad to see it posted here again. I hope the references you have can come to good use.

Fw200 engine cowling:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/data/500/fw200n5_1_.jpg

OOOOOOH!!!!!

Fw200 cockpit, from the ww2aircraft.net site

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/data/566/e6f775f14f68ad80d9308579c0e116fe.jpg

link to the site picture:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/showphoto.php?photo=7252&size=big&cat=&si=condor

cr42 cockpit interior in colour!!!

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/data/567/68634b287965a8d52e369a58a3d7ad98.jpg

..site link:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/showphoto.php?photo=7176&cat=567





For future reference, the ww2aircraft.net cockpit photo page:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/showgallery.php?cat=566

Also for future reference, colour cockpit photos from that site:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/showgallery.php?cat=567

Fw200
Focke-Wulf Fw 200 C-1 Condor Luftwaffe:

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Alfarrabista/3329L.jpg

Cr42 cockpit photos.

link:

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...m%3D1%26hl%3Dsv

Photos:

http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/Italy/images/Fiat%20CR%2042%20hendon%20cockpit.jpg

http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/Italy/images/CR%2042%20cockpit%20Italy.jpg

http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/Italy/images/CR%2042%20TFC.jpg

cr42 as Swedish J11. cockpit photos:

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...m%3D1%26hl%3Dsv

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/images/falco_39.jpg

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/images/falco_40.jpg

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/images/falco_41.jpg

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/images/falco_42.jpg



also.

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/images/falco_36.jpg





Cr42 cockpit from above!!!

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/CR42_15-Kopie.jpg

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/CR42_9%20Kopie.jpg

Cr42 tail.

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/CR42_11%20Kopie.jpg

Cr42 nose:

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/CR42_16-Kopie.jpg


The above from this walkaround with more pictures:

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...m%3D1%26hl%3Dsv

Link to reference page for the above pictures, featuring a list of many aircraft:

http://www.clubhyper.com/referenc.htm




Many other aircraft are featured on this site, for example this Lysander walkaround:

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/lysanderiiidp_1.htm

and Hudson Walkaround:

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/hudsonpm_1.htm

Thanks for the help from ww2aircraft.net and moderator 'micdrow':

Fw 200 cockpit, and explanation of the layout:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=68892

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachm...ots-notes-2.jpg

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachm...ots-notes-3.jpg

Fw200 landing gear. Modern photos. several pictures:

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/fw200landinggearab_1.htm

Meteor in detail:

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/meteorreferecepg_1.htm

FW200 "users manual" for download:

http://cockpitinstrumente.de/archiv/Doku...nvorschrift.pdf

Nice find. I looked for that without success.


For future reference. This site has manuals for sale.

http://rareaviation.com/store/cart.php?target=category&category_id=627

There are also printed manuals and other articles on the site.
Printed manuals including for example Avenger mantainance manuals:

http://rareaviation.com/store/cart.php?target=category&category_id=2084

http://rareaviation.com/store/cart.php?target=category&category_id=3337

I don't know if any of this is relevant. It shows illustrated articles mine-laying (in river/water) and the possible use of the He115 for this purpose, though it seems to focus on a later part of the war (Stalingrad):

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=139435

Film of FW200 showing interior views (from the above site). It shows the aircraft very much in action:


http://www.realmilitaryflix.com/public/718.cfm?sd=56

Printscreens from the film:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/printscr01.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/printscr02.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/printscr03.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/printscr04.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/printscr05.jpg

Removing window for gunning:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/printscr06.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/printscr07.jpg

Winding open bomb doors:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/printscr08.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/printscr09.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/printscr10.jpg


Short clip showing radio sttaion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TcDPwtXQOI

Cr42 internal structure:

http://fighter-collection.com/images/cr42fus.jpg


More here:


http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...l%3Dsv%26sa%3DN



http://fighter-collection.com/images/cr42.jpg

http://fighter-collection.com/images/cr42_01.jpg

http://fighter-collection.com/images/cr42_04.jpg

http://fighter-collection.com/images/cr42_02.jpg

http://fighter-collection.com/images/cr42_03.jpg

http://fighter-collection.com/newsimg/img/crc.jpg

http://fighter-collection.com/newsimg/img/crb.jpg

For future reference:

These are pilots notes (though it says 'checklists') free for download:

http://freechecklists.net/

Cr42 restoration, Duxford:

http://www.stormomagazine.com/ReferencePics/FiatCR42_Duxford/FIATCR42_Duxford_1a.html

http://stormomagazine.com/ReferencePics/FiatCR42_Duxford/DSCN4421_1a.jpg

http://stormomagazine.com/ReferencePics/FiatCR42_Duxford/DSCN4422_1a.jpg

http://stormomagazine.com/ReferencePics/FiatCR42_Duxford/DSCN4424_1a.jpg

http://stormomagazine.com/ReferencePics/FiatCR42_Duxford/DSCN4425_1a.jpg

http://stormomagazine.com/ReferencePics/FiatCR42_Duxford/DSCN4427_1a.jpg

Cr42 again:

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/5/7/4/1160475.jpg

I uploaded it again here:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/1160475.jpg


http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.se...inct_entry=true

Cr42:

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/images/92squad_1.jpg

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/images/92squad_2.jpg

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/images/falco3.jpg

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/images/falco_36.jpg

Cr42 Profile book (short) download (free)

http://base13.glasnet.ru/text/ap/cr42.htm



http://base13.glasnet.ru/text/ap/cr42/04-2.jpg

Other Profile books, for future reference:

http://base13.glasnet.ru/text/ap/content.htm#3



Br20 (links to pages at the bottom):

http://base13.glasnet.ru/text/ap/br20-1.htm

Sm79:

http://base13.glasnet.ru/text/ap/sm79-1.htm

Just bought the Kagero book on the Fw200. I'll scan all the photos and drawings of the C-1 and update this thread.

I can't remember if I posted this already. Fw200 landing gear, museum photos:

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...l%3Dsv%26sa%3DN

Fw200 cutaway view:
Let me know if you need a translation.

http://www.vartmarinaarv.se/bilder/Alla_Bilderna/FW200.JPG

Fw200 passenger cabin:

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...l%3Dsv%26sa%3DN


http://www.flickr.com/photos/steffenkahl/2665319420/

Fw200 gunsight:

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...l%3Dsv%26sa%3DN

Bramo Fafnir (Fw 200 Condor engine) according to the site caption:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rreis/2570545516/sizes/l/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rreis/2570545516/sizes/l/in/set-72157605517687577/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rreis/2570568928/sizes/l/in/set-72157605517687577/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27096377@N03/2530336577/sizes/l/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27096377@N03/2530335565/sizes/l/in/photostream/







More museum engine photos of Fw200 engine:

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...l%3Dsv%26sa%3DN


Bramo 232J engine drawing:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Engine.jpg


From here:

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...l%3Dsv%26sa%3DN

http://library.thinkquest.org/C006001/engines/bmw3232.jpg

http://www.kevincorti.com/minisites/grandadswar1/photos/photo_005_web.jpg

This is captioned as FW200 instrument panel:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/steffenkahl/2665134444/in/photostream/

Fw Condor seat:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/steffenkahl/2664311419/in/photostream/

Pump for the Bramo engine:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/steffenkahl/2664314529/in/photostream/



More Bramo 323 engine pictures in this list:

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...l%3Dsv%26sa%3DN

Cr 42 frame and engine at Duxford:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ruthann/2237472597/sizes/l/

Engine ?:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ruthann/2237516611/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29126266@N00/2627733530/sizes/l/

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Engine2.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Fiat_CR_42_-_J_11.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Cr42001.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Cr42002.jpg

http://www.finn.it/regia/immagini/fiat/cr42_gambadiferro.jpg

Internal structure exposed:
http://www.finn.it/regia/immagini/fiat/cr42_94sq.jpg

http://www.tantopergioco.it/wp-content/gallery/cr-42/Fiat%20Cr42%20Lynkoping%20039.jpg



Several Cr42 cockpit photos on this link:

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...l%3Dsv%26sa%3DN

Bf108 cockpit:

http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/Luftwaffe/messerschmitt/me108.htm

From:

http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/

Cr42 walkaround showing EXCELLENT cockpit detail!!![EDIT: I HAVE UPLOADED COKPIT AND EXTERIOR PICTURES IN A LATER POST; and SOME ARE SHOWN LATER IN THIS POST]:

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...l%3Dsv%26sa%3DN

other link to the same site:

http://www.tantopergioco.it/immagini/walkaround/?album=2&gallery=7&page=64

As well as those cockpit pictures there are some links on that page that don't seem to work. Shame as there apear to have been many photos on them.
I can seem to find a few though. I think these are Cr42 pictures:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/cr42004.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/cr42003.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/cr42006.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/cr42007.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/cr42009.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/cr42011.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/cr42012.jpg

Here are excerpts from the techincal manual of the Fw200 C-1/C-2:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/img019.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/img020.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/img021.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/img022.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/img023.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/img024.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/img026.jpg


I got some photographs of the interior and ETC systems as well. Do you need them? If that is the case, I'll scan those too.

He 115 cutaway. Sorry for the low quality, I don't have a scanner.



http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/cutaway1He115.jpg



http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/cutaway2He115.jpg

Cutaway of FW 200

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/cutaway1Fw200.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/cutaway1bFw200.jpg




If there are any other cutaways you need let me know, I have quite a number of them.

I don't think I have cutaways of theFiat Cr.42, or He 59.

UPLOADED PICTURES FROM THAT FIRST LINK:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20013.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20012.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20011.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20010.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20009.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20008.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20007.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20006.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20005.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20004.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20003.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20002.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20001.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20020.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20019.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20018.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20017.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20016.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20015.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Fiat20Cr4220Lynkoping20014.jpg

Photo of Fw200 turret:


"Electric powered turret EDL 131 in FW-200. Note the armor piercing (black) and HE ( yellow) rounds in belt".

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/562/ajyan8.jpg




From:
http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4127

Fw200 cockpit:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/fw200cockpitbook.jpg

Cr42 in museum : detailed pictures!!!!!


http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2007/02/stuff_eng_detail_cr42_1.htm


http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2007/02/stuff_eng_detail_cr42_2.htm


http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2007/02/stuff_eng_detail_cr42_3.htm

Fw200 burned out shell. In case you didn't see this from an earlier site link.

http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/Luftwaffe/fockewulf/rarefockewulf.htm


http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/



Fw200 engine in detail, and detailed drawing (I'm not sure if this is from the right time period):

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=ht...l%3Dsv%26sa%3DN

BUMP

Hi, Nils.

We have finally started the He-115 and found, we have very few refs on it. We still waiting for a package of original manuals copies from that German website, but so far, we have almost nothing, except few books with not very good drawings and some bw photos.
So, we will gladly accept any reference, you would want to share with us.

Niels, now that Il-2 seems to be going "open", maybe there is a chance your wonderful model can get into the game, it would be fantastic for the Norway map! (to complement your houses and boats...)

Hello SaQSoN!

I have one question, if I may ask: if your team is only beginning work on the He-115, what was the 3D model shown as SoW-BoB WIP 2 years ago, then? Are you now starting anew, or from this model? Was it a very prelimary work left aside until you could get the needed additional info?

Thanks,

JV

It was. The reasons, it was left aside are different, though.
We starting from this model, however, it is in a very basic stage. So, there isn't big difference if we would start it from scratch. It saves us may be a couple of weeks, at best.

This might interest you, it is a collection of munition boxes and stuff like this as being used by the Wehrmacht:

http://wehrmachts.kisten.free.fr/toutes_categories.htm

Should prove useful for texturing boxes etc.

Thanks, I forwarded this to 1C guys. We (the RRGS) do not make ground stuff for BoB, we do only planes and ships. But still any similar info would be very useful for Oleg.

And I know, they already did a lot of various ammo boxes, it looks, like they do a set of ammo and ammo boxes and other misc models for each ground unit/weapon in the game.

I afraid, mission builders in BoB will have a hard time browsing through literary thousands of objects in the game.

Not if there were someway of further categorizing them, beyond the most crude "static object" level.

Hardly. If there will be few hundreds of objects in just "ammo and ammo boxes" category.
And don't forget, that you'll have to select loadouts for vehicles, train cars, etc.

This might be interesting for the F-82:

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=Douglas+Aircraft+1940s+source:life&imgurl=d84d50f946e9b5c5