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#2490776 - 04/09/08 07:07 AM YAP new helo flight model  
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This is my worst video yet but it shows how one of our helicopters flies with the new FM. (I need some practice.) You can set it down anywhere, turn on a dime and avoid those weird stalls now. It's as helo as we can get, I think.


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#2490796 - 04/09/08 08:10 AM Re: YAP new helo flight model [Re: zerocinco]  
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Remarkable! Great vertical control and nice sideslip too. This is going to be great...

#2491070 - 04/09/08 05:42 PM Re: YAP new helo flight model [Re: zerocinco]  
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Very cool!

Is that the default terrain? If not, whats it called and who's it made by.

Thanks.


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#2491108 - 04/09/08 06:29 PM Re: YAP new helo flight model [Re: PinchVF-124]  
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Does the huey FM require a lot of constant adjustment of the thurst vector position? Or are you using a different method?


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#2491214 - 04/09/08 09:26 PM Re: YAP new helo flight model [Re: jimbib]  
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Pretty cool, but is it compatible with the hard fm settings?


Murphy's Law says, "Whatever can go wrong, will, and when you least expect it."
(And, of course, we all know that Murphy was an aviator.)

*aka Flying-V*
#2491243 - 04/09/08 10:12 PM Re: YAP new helo flight model [Re: Corktip 14]  
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First, the terrain. That particular tile belongs to Yankee Air Pirate. It is a Special Forces Camp near the Ia Drang Valley from which the Air Cav launched their attack called Plei Mei. Same shape. Same layout. Same buildings. I never noticed the truck parked with his nose through the sandbags. That's gotta hurt.

Second, the thrust. We program our sticks two ways. On cheap sticks, we use the up and down arrows. On more complex ones, we use a slider or wheel which is more fun. Lift at low speed is provided by the thrust vectoring and not lift over the wings so, like a helicopter, you must play your forces against Nature's to fly. You do not need a lot of TV adjustment. Instead, you set it as the stick would normally select the direction of thrust in the form of the cyclic control and then adjust the amount with the throttle as you would with the collective. Pilots get used to it fast because they are used to compensating rapidly. Rigidity is a killer. Just practice and it becomes a helicopter to you very soon.

Cork: I think I always fly in Hard. Not sure. 8 tests in all levels since that's his job. If he sees this, he will respond to that.

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#2491414 - 04/10/08 03:14 AM Re: YAP new helo flight model [Re: Corktip 14]  
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 Originally Posted By: Corktip 14
Pretty cool, but is it compatible with the hard fm settings?


I'm not sure what you mean by compatible so I'll try and describe how the FM acts with each setting.

First, the Huey and the Jolly behave differently. Think of the Huey as F1 car at Monte Carlo and the Jolly as stock car at Watkins Glen.

On easy they are both pussycats and will do whatever you demand but a bit more slowly. You can use wing leveler or auto-pilot if you like, but they both have a tendency to climb if you do. Easy makes them act more like a "plane". On easy they are much more forgiving. With TV and throttle control you can land them vertically on a carton of eggs without breakage. They will pedal turn on a dime and give you 9 cents change.

Normal and Hard are a different animal and I find much more fun, but take a lot more practice.
Forget wing leveler and auto pilot for normal flight, you have to "fly" them. They shimmy and shake and you swear you hear stuff rattling around. TV will lift you off vertically with no problem at all. Pedal turns are a lot quicker and will give you 7-8 cents change. After a lot of practice you will learn how to make the Jolly "back-up".

The Huey will side slip around all you want lining up target after target once you get use to it. While your blasting away with mini-guns and rockets, your M-60 door gunners are having a turkey shoot as they find their ground targets. The Jolly, remember is a basically a transport, but after you warm up to her, with that Sikorsky engine banging in your ears (get some headphones) she will do just what the Huey does and you will put that cannon in the hole every time.

On normal and hard your approach to ground touchdown with both of them should be planned in advance if possible as the TV is much more touchy. You do have airbrakes to help, but not flaps. Watch your speed, if it starts to stall, push the stick forward. On carrier landings its a lot easier due to the speed of the ship.

One other thing. Your stick settings may have to adjusted to fly the helos vs. planes.
I find that about 90% sensitivity and about 5% deadzone works well for me. I have my TV on the keyboard as I have an old but reliable stick. The newer sticks make it much more easier and fun.

Hope I answered your question somewhat.

Quick vid to show you once you get use to her what you can do.
(the Boss hates it that I can make her back up).











#2491585 - 04/10/08 11:57 AM Re: YAP new helo flight model [Re: 8 L.E.I.N.]  
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I thought everybody flew like that :-)

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#2491800 - 04/10/08 05:50 PM Re: YAP new helo flight model [Re: JDAM]  
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#2491811 - 04/10/08 06:08 PM Re: YAP new helo flight model [Re: 8 L.E.I.N.]  
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 Originally Posted By: 8lein
Sikorsky engine banging in your ears


;\) Sorry, couldn't help myself, being an engine guy and all. \:D


Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.


#2491838 - 04/10/08 06:41 PM Re: YAP new helo flight model [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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 Originally Posted By: 531 Ghost
 Originally Posted By: 8lein
Sikorsky engine banging in your ears


;\) Sorry, couldn't help myself, being an engine guy and all. \:D


Picky, Picky, Kind of think along the lines of a Rat Motor in a Model A \:\)

#2491855 - 04/10/08 07:08 PM Re: YAP new helo flight model [Re: 8 L.E.I.N.]  
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My point was, still is, GEAE makes the engine, (click the link, you'll see ;\) ) Sikorsky makes the helicopter. Just like GEAE makes the engine, Bell makes the AH1W Cobra and UH1Y "Huey". By your example, Chevy would make the engine, Ford would make the car. It's all good!


Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.


#2491856 - 04/10/08 07:12 PM Re: YAP new helo flight model [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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Oh, and if ya got a banging Turboshaft, something's wrong. ;\)


Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.



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