I remember now. A year or two back we saw reports of a competition in Hong Kong I think

People from all over the world in an Il-2 dogfight competition...

The guy or girl who won it had full flaps down in the roundabout of death until his opponent fell off the perch

The RoF developers may have this mindset

Those of us who fly combat sims in role-play historical mode find this competitive stuff beneath us. I do anyway, it's AirQuake no offence

But look how it's panning out. Neoqb are providing an arena for those guys with Battlefield1942-style online stats

Our historical penchant doesn't need to suffer at all, we'll just fly the planes properly <foxhole>

But our priorities are quite different perhaps.

Ming

You got it now. Viks, one of the developers, is as far as I know the very Viks who perfected flying with trim to a fine art in IL-2. I think it was Siggi (ilyushin2.net) who got more than slightly mad that this guy would partially throw his plane on it's back inside it's own lenght.

That was the time when in IL-2, rate of trim change was discussed to be implemented (did they ever?) as sudden and instant trim change over the full range was abused for insane dogfight manouvers online.

You can be fairly sure that this high competitive mindset (use everthing the game allows for to win) is present at least with one developer. Which may explain the fixation with online ranks and stats, as well as cheat security.

Flaps? Whazzat? Some sort of fancy wing on the wing?

We're all just coming to grips with these new fangled ailerons that replaced tried and tested warp wing techniques.

Next you'll be wanting something really crazy, like having the wheels retract into the fuselage.

The problem with innovation is that it rebukes the status quo of the market, and rather than shaping the product to the market one attempts to mold the market to the product.

Sometimes it works - see iPod and iTunes.

Sometimes it doesn't - see Edsel and Pacer.

It all comes down to the quality and uniqueness of the product. If RoF is as good as we hope it will be, all will be forgiven and we will embrace and reward them in the best possible way (money).

I suppose I've always thought RoF would be primarily an online sim with a robust single player option rather than a flight sim with two modes of play. It was just the vibe I got reading the developer blog and comments here.

[edit] Yep, they fixed the "bat turn" insta-trim in IL-2.

Ah, "bat-turn" - that was the term I was looking for.

God, how long have we all been here... it's not lost on me that here at RoF a lot of people have surfaced I last saw in an 109 formation or on the other side of my Revi.

I remember the bat turn, IIRC that got fixed in a patch that slowed the trim action

It's all coming back to me now, thanks Colonel

Ming

Well I'm with Ming. I was hoping for a historical sim with historical missions and historical pilots and squadrons from other countries. Not "AirQuake". I have zero interest in that. Have to wait and see now, I guess.

+1

And I suspect a lot of others.

+1

Let's wait for the demo or more official news...

The stats could be used for more than kills and targets. There could be an unofficial competition to see who can get a pilot to last through the great war. A Dead is Dead server where if you die you have to start a new pilot would see some interesting flying. I bet that Spad XIII would be a popular choice.

I'm hoping history plays a big part in this Sim. Servers based on Historical planesets, Recreations of Historical Airbattles...Bloody April etc

...and all tracked through your online hosted stats

Great point Brig. Lets see where these guys are coming from before we get too hot under the collar.

Dead is Dead stats tracking would in fact be the only cool singleplayer thing I can see with online stats.

...and that is enough to convince me it is worth the agro.
Imagine if there could be a virtual "London Gazette" with articles on the most succesful Aces in a campaign. One of the features I hope is being planned is a feed to a http site where one could view ones success while supping a morning brew at work.

Imagine if there could be a virtual "London Gazette" with articles on the most succesful Aces in a campaign

"Tell me soldier, where were you the day they stormed DRM Ridge?" notebook, quill

You started it quite lidderally

Sounds dead good Brigs, must get faksimml facksimmil copies of WW1 papers, The London Times sounds on

"Our boys gave the Hun a jolly good thrashing, leaving him with no digital rights other than his dogtags"

Ming

LMAO DRM Ridge....