Is it available in any stores?

afaik only currently as an import from Gogamer or of course as a download from Third Wire.

Gogamer has it for $40. Download from Third Wire is $30. Its a quick download since its only about 140MB install file (Its about 500MB installed).

Why not add links?

GIYF!

GoGamer

http://www.gogamer.com/First-Eagles--The...1VVviewprod.htm

Thirdwire

https://store.thirdwire.com/store.htm

Thanks !

I downloaded the game but, to be honest, I don't really care for it. Is it possible for me to put the download file on a CD and sell it?

Leeman

That is a very good point for the future - FE has no key code and no copy protection on the download.

Can you sell downloaded software? Legally? I have not looked at the licence to be honest. Is there one? I can't see one in my game directory.

Was there one on the installer? I can't remember (and who reads them anyway)

I think Thirdwire needs to be a bit cleverer here, a one band band deserves all the dollars he has most certainly earned.

Direct downloads are the obvious route for future game purchases, there must be a ruling already?

pauld,

Yeah, I just started thinking about the possibility of selling it recently.

I'm not at all enamored with the game. I'd be more than happy to burn the installation file to a CD and sell it (probably for $10 or so) and delete the installation from my hard drive. I've been running low on disk space anyway.

I bought it more out of boredom during my Christmas vacation than for any real "want" of the game. Now, I regret the decision. I haven't touched it in two weeks. Didn't spend more than an hour or so with it, but I'm certain I don't want it.

I should very much doubt whether burning a copy and selling it would be legal. After all, there's a greyish area when it comes to making a copy of something which you've paid for just as a backup for your own use.

I saw it in Game stores in the UK this week, so CD sale & distribution is happening in Europe.

Afraid I don't know about the US.

Leeman

You're in exactly the same position as I was a few weeks back where my first impressions of the game were not great so I just left it on my HD and reinstalled RB3D. I've since come back to it and now with the patch and playing having played online a few times I've found the game to be much more to my liking. I reckon you should try again. I really don't think 1 hour of playing is giving it a fair go.

Smoshy,

I agree. One hour isn't fair. But, first impressions are often lasting ones. I initially wasn't impressed with Strike Fighters. I uninstalled it after a short while but after discovering this site and all the great mods and add-ons I re-installed it and it's been on my hard drive for a long time now (along with WOV and WOE).

But, this game, for some reason, just isn't doing it for me. For me it's "boring" for lack of a better term.

I have OFF installed for CFS3 and that is a better game in my opinion. Also, I think the new WWI sim from the makers of IL2 will be superior to this one.

In addition, I've got so many games on my plate right now (with both the PC and the XBox 360) that I don't really have the time to dedicate to it. When I feel like flying I boot up Strike Fighters, WOV/YAP, IL-2/PF/FB/AEP or OFF.

Maybe I'll give it another shot before making a final decision, but to be honest, I'd rather have an extra few bucks to spend on some YAP missions than to play FE.

http://yhst-12000246778232.stores.yahoo.net/

I ordered mine from NWS Online Combat Gaming Store (see above), I have ordered from them before and I can recommend them.

Regards,

Gibson

I suppose to get a definite answer the best option is to contact Thirdwire and ask them about it.

Having purchased and downloaded the game myself I don't recall any EULA, but I may be dead wrong.

Bump -
Leeman - drop Me a PM
I have no access to anything over a 12K dialup, and would love to purchase this sim.

Slack

It's certainly illegal, folks. It doesn't matter whether you bought it on CD or as a download. Copying it to sell the copy on CD is illegal. The item doesn't even need a EULA for that to be true. You'd need explicit permission to do so.

Sigh. This is why games get all that awful copy-protection software (StarForce etc) in the first place, isn't it?

Don't know how many multiples of $30 I've wasted over my lifetime on various things. I'd just take it on the chin, if I were you, I think...

"END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT

Please read this End-User License Agreement ("EULA") carefully. This document is a legal agreement between you and Third Wire Productions, Inc. (the "Company"). The Company is willing to license the software contained in this package (the "Software") to you only on the condition that you accept all the terms contained in this agreement. By using the Software, you are agreeing to be bound by the terms of this license.

1. Software License. This is a license agreement and NOT an agreement for sale. The Software is the property of the Company and/or its Licensors. You own the CD-ROM on which the Software is recorded, but the Company and/or its Licensors retain title to the Software and related documentation. Your rights to use the Software are specified in this Agreement, and the Company and/or its Licensors retain all rights not expressly granted to you in this Agreement.

2. Permitted Uses. This EULA grants you the following rights:
(a) Right to install and use. You may install and use the Software, at any given time, on a single computer per license purchased.
(b) Right to modify, customize, and create additional contents to enhance the Software, for personal use only.
(c) Right to create backup or archival copies of the Software. You may create unlimited number of backup copies of the Software, provided that all such copies shall bear the original and unmodified copyright, patent and other intellectual property markings that appear on or in the Software. You may not make these backup copies of the Software accessible to others.

3. Prohibited Uses. The following uses of the Software are prohibited. If you wish to use the Software in a manner prohibited below, please contact the Company at the address, phone, or fax numbers listed above for information regarding a "Special Use License." Otherwise, you may NOT:
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Cateyes,
Thanks for taking the time to post the EULA.
It clears alot up.
reading it, as long as one wipes it off their computer, they are free to sell the original program, it can only be installed on ONE computer, and making COPIES (not moving it, but copy)is only allowed for personal backup to restore on the computer where it lawfully resides.

It comes down to the differance between copying or moving.
just the same as I can sell My "fill in the blank" program, as long as I wipe it from My drive, If I donot wipe it from My drive, I now have an illeagal copy on My drive.
I guess it all comes down to honesty, did You buy a new copy of windows for every computer ??

Slack

Hi Slackdaddy,

I think if you read the EULA carefully you'll see that's not part of the 'permitted uses'. You're not entitled to transfer the software to another user.

But hey, I'm not ThirdWire. I'm just trying to provide you with the legal info, so you can make your own choices.

Cheers.