Anyone? I've played most modern flight sims from F4AF to Black Shark. Anything I can fire a round or two off in and i'm pretty sure i've at least had a crack at it.

So I was sitting thinking whilst setting up a dogfight for lomac fc2 in f-15's with the older Aim9P's goin up against some F-5's, "wouldn't it be great if we had a very detailed combat sim focusing on the F-4 (at a very long push the 2 seater variant to fly with online buddies) with a loverly flight model". Bringing back some of those dogfight moments of WW2 to the more modern era. Preferably including a naval model for carrier ops.

I've had a go on Wings over Vietnam but got a little bored in the end. Didn't feel right and lacked the customisation and online support I was looking for.

I dunno, maybe I'm just wildly ranting because having seen what BS/FC2 and ROF can do with flight immersion these days, I'm just hoping there's something in development or already out there of that caliber. It's got to be one of the easier aircraft to create a sim for as well given the amount of info available for it and one of the most interesting considering that it has seen action in many air forces / air arms in many conflicts.

Yeah so... in short, anyone know anything about one out there or in dev. Even a cracking mod for WoV converting the Flight model and gameplay? Ta

Try YAP2 for Strikefighters or FreeFalcon 5
Cheers,
Keith

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7SyUhuEFZU

wow. how did I miss this?!!!

thankyou

That was my reaction! (missed it too).

'Went to the Free Falcon site.

Do I understand correctly that I need the original Falcon 4.0 in order to 'run' Free Falcon?

Regards,

J. P. Kelly

A2A Simulations F4 in development:

http://www.a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=18425

Nope. FF5 does not require the original F4 CD.

HomeFries,

So, it's just a download?

Regards,

J. P. Kelly

How is YAP 2 going to make flying the F-4 any better in WoV? The real upgrade is to fly the SF2 series with much better cockpits, etc. However, the limited multiplayer from SFP1 is completely deleted in SF2, so that would be the showstopper. Of course, the operation of the radar remains simplified as well, but there has never been a combat flight sim that attempted to model pre-digital radar functionality. But I totally don't get the "lacked the customisation" comment. What aspect of a Third Wire SF series sim (SFP1/WoX or SF2) can't be customized and isn't already available at combatace?

Falcon 4 based mods for the F-4 don't impress me much. The SF/SF2 series is by far the best at modeling the F-4, its weapons, and other aircraft of its generation. I would rank Janes Fighters Anthology as 2nd when modified with the appropriate lib files to fix the flight models, though it has horrid graphics and even more simplified cockpits and avionics. Janes USAF would be the next with great graphics for the time but horrible flight modeling.

I don't see anyone ever releasing a dedicated F-4 sim that would make me happy: fully clickable pits for pilot and co-pilot/RIO/WSO as well as an equally detailed model of the F-4's principal opponent, the MiG-21.

I am curious to see how well the flight model works for the Accusim F-4 in development. But, I think Third Wire sims are capable of much higher fidelity in the flight model category. The problem is that it takes too much time and effort to get the necessary data and translate it into basic co-efficient tables. The F-4B flight model I did for SFP1 SP2a (service pack 2a) was remarkably close except from Mach 0.8 to Mach 1.2, but later revisions invalidated some of my work, especially the high AoA departure behavior. Kreelin and Fubar contined to work on newer FMs, but I never verified their accuracy against the flight manuals and NASA data.

Streakeagle,

When you are referring to the Falcon 4 mods for the F4 are you talking about Free Falcon?

I'm asking 'cause I've never used Free Falcon.

I agree with your point re a dedicated F-4 sim; as this is my favorite 'cold war' aircraft I can still hope!

Regards,

J. P. Kelly

The truth is that a new, dedicated F-4 sim needs to be developed in detail.

The number of people that "need" a dedicated F-4 sim is so small that it will never be done. If anyone was to do it, I would think it would be as a part of the DCS series. But they are principally doing aircraft that are currently flying so that they can make money selling high-end versions as actual trainers for air forces. I had always hoped that TK would gradually extend his "sim-lite" SF series towards being a more realistic sim. In some ways he has, but in other ways he has not and probably never will go down that path.

must, say the A2A thing looks very impressive. glad my post promted a little response. I am not alone

You are correct, Sir!

Exhausted,

Agreed; I would think that developers/designers would be hesitant to put out a single type sim in this economy as opposed to a 'survey' sim with a wider selection of A/C to choose from.

Regards,

J. P. Kelly

Being a huge F-4 Phantom fan (even got a Spooky tattoo) i would love to see a F-4 sim, something like the coming DCS: A-10 sim.

With the tools being released by ED with the DCS series, there is nothing stopping someone from making a 3rd party F-4. Realistic flight dynamics, working cockpit, etc. You could even create Vietnam with the terrain tools. So, who's got the time/energy to do it?

A few years ago there was a dedicated F-4 study sim in development called "Rhino". Unfortunately when the demand in the flight sim market fell way off the development stopped Real shame as this sim looked to be in the same caliber as Falcon 4.0

I was on the 'Rhino" team (I was the 3D artist). It was a fantastic concept that could have resulted in a real classic. Alas, such a product requires a huge amount of time and effort, neither of which we were able to commit to the project.

I haven't given up on the project entirely (http://www.yankee-station.net), and I would love to put a team together to prototype some of the tactical aspects of the simulation. If there are any programmers out there who wouldn't mind having their brains picked (ouch!) on the subject of tactical AI programming, let me know!

Richard J

OMG! Are those screenshots or renders? They look fantastic and if I could do one of the posts you require I would jump at it (I can't though unfortunately).

Hi MaceUK33,

The shots on the website are renders. However, the models are all low polygon, realtime models designed specifically for the project. They were all built quite a while ago, but the CVN-65 model is about 70k polygons (inc. static aircraft), and none of the aircraft models shown are more than 16k polygons. Only the diffuse reflection (in the carrier shot) and the soft shadows would be difficult to do in realtime. Everything else would work fine within a modern graphics engine.

Richard J