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#3580095 - 05/26/12 04:05 AM BoB2 or CoD?  
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Been flying CoD for awhile now and looking back over my collection of old un-installed sims, I though that I might re-install BoB2. But after looking at some of the screenies here, it looks like CoD is a better looking sim. Is there really much difference between the two and should I install BoB2 again and update? To tell the truth, I can not remember much about BoB2 to make a judgement about it.
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#3580136 - 05/26/12 05:38 AM Re: BoB2 or CoD? [Re: BadBud]  
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Quoting myself from another subforum, on BoB2 vs CloD:

Quote:
>Battle of Britain II - 1940 July-september only - close to perfect dynamic commander-level
campaign, quite good dynamic pilot campaign (no promotions, but that's historical to the brief
time window); excellent flight models, good aircraft detail, graphics ... nearly
equivalent to IL-2 series except for IL-2 CoD which is in a class by itself; good internal
(software bookkeeping) damage model unfortunately not at all represented by a corresponding
damage graphics, very limited plane set, fewer still flyable, just spit, hurri, 109, 110 Ju87,
plus gunner positions on the three german level bombers. Multiplayer is barely supported, ie
it exists but is a bit rough, being beta'd sporadically depending on interest. Fortunately,
this is made up for by the absolutely stunning AI, which makes offline flying at least as
good as IL-2's multiplayer. BoB2 continues to be the gold standard for campaign and AI.

BoB2 and IL-2 CoD represent two extremes in flight sim realization - there is very little overlap
in the strengths of the two, and simmers continue to dream of a product which would represent
the merging of the best of each.

Next, the question arises, where are the screenies you were looking at? the appearance of BoB2
is very much a moving target. But of course, having been released 7 years ago, with some bits
still scuffling along from 12 years ago (BoB1) it is not going to be able to compare to the
graphics of CloD. It would be irrational to expect otherwise. Of course that could change in
short order if an inspired graphics coder were to step up to the BDG. Anyway, these are fairly
representative of the current state. I've been suspecting lately that we could monkey with the
.fx files a bit to get better definition of the object shading - a bit more "presence" to the
appearance of things, as it were, but that's not my area, and I've got no time to flail about
with it these days:

http://www.a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1732&start=3487
http://www.a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1732&start=3475
http://www.a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=21877


#3580180 - 05/26/12 08:32 AM Re: BoB2 or CoD? [Re: BadBud]  
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My first thought would be to recommend that you reinstall BoB II for its excellence with regards to creating a historically accurate simulation of the Battle of Britian, with hundreds of planes in the sky, darn good flight models, perfectly good graphics though not cutting edge, and the added choice of taking on the role as commander, either Goering or Stuffy, in addition to flying it as a simulation.

Since you already own it, I'd say load her up, apply the latest updates and let yourself be immersed! biggrin


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#3580302 - 05/26/12 02:38 PM Re: BoB2 or CoD? [Re: BadBud]  
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Well for me BoB2 is a much better sim than CloD!

#3580355 - 05/26/12 04:18 PM Re: BoB2 or CoD? [Re: BadBud]  
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band Bob II is immersion in the Battle. CoD is eye candy Just my 2 cents

#3581091 - 05/27/12 08:14 PM Re: BoB2 or CoD? [Re: BadBud]  
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#3581150 - 05/27/12 09:49 PM Re: BoB2 or CoD? [Re: BadBud]  
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ditto

COD for flying and for the looks, BOB2 for 'being there' and the AI.

S!

#3581875 - 05/29/12 01:01 AM Re: BoB2 or CoD? [Re: BadBud]  
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Talked me into re-installing. In my short time looking, I only see patch 2.10 and 2.11. Is this the extent of patches to BoB2 and do I have to start with 3.10 or does 2.11 cover all?
Thanks,

BadBud

#3581954 - 05/29/12 04:56 AM Re: BoB2 or CoD? [Re: BadBud]  
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All you need is the 2.11 Update on a fresh install of your BOBII CD or Download.

The 2.11 MultiSkin is optional but it is rather cool to have historic German and British skin markings (if interested).

Here are the procedure that are posted at the BOBII forums:

First, BOBII requires a screen print size of 96. If you have change your DPI to a higher number (example 120 DPI or medium) then BOBII will crash to disk on a Menu Screen. To change your DPI to 96 in windows7 in desktop right click. Select screen Resolution and at the bottom click on "Make Text or Other Items larger or smaller". Then select smaller 100% (default).

In Options->GFX try 1024x768 for your Campaign resolution as a test.

Second, I assume you are running the 2.11 Update (I did not see what you are running from your note) and I see you are running windows 7. If you are not running the 2.11 update then download it and install it. Here is the link:

http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=21865

Below are the 2.11 release notes:

Note1: this update will bring *any* previous version up to 2.11. You do not need any previous patches at all.

Note2: You will need the latest DirectX to run 2.11.
You will get a missing .dll error if you do not. When you run the 2.11 self-installer it will point you to the Microsoft DirectX update page. Update to DirectX9.0c (June version). Unfortunately, there are multiple versions of 9.0c so if in any doubt, update.

Note3: The MultiSkin patch should go ON TOP OF Battle of Britain 2: Wings of Victory v2.11 Patch (English) OR Battle of Britain 2: Wings of Victory v2.11 Patch (International)
You should have a 256M gfx card to be sure to run without issues.

Note4: How to back up your existing settings from earlier BoBII updates.
Buddye's installation guide HERE-> http://www.a2asimulations.com/forum/vie ... 0&t=19368B
Back up your Bdg.txt and \savegame, \2dGauge, and \keyboard folders (these folders contain all your settings and joystick buttons)

Note5: If you have a low end system and experience a crash once into 3D, go to your bdg.txt file and set LANDSCAPE_TEXTURE_SIZE = 1024 (the default is 2048). This will reduce the landscape texture resolution by a factor of 4 and should help users with low system memory.

Note6: Windows Vista and Window 7 users. All Vista and Windows 7 users will need to apply the 'Vista/Windows 7 fix' to your desktop shortcut as a fresh 2.11 install will overwrite the previous shortcut.
Right click on shortcut and go to properties. Go to the compatibility tab. Check "disable desktop composition" and check the privilege level, run this program as an administrator.

Note7: Forcing VSync with ATI card
There is a known issue with the latest ATI cards and VSync. See http://www.a2asimulations.com/forum/vie ... 10&t=21660
In short, you need to right click your ATI tray icon and enable through that (Wait for vertical refresh->Always on).

Note8: Framerates over densely populated areas of 3D objects
See the section later in this thread. Object rendering is not as efficient as we hope to make it in the future. Be prepared to check your Ground Object Density settings in densely populated urban areas. See below

Did you implement Note #6 (Imporant)?

Third, is you DirectX 9c update to the latest? If unsure run the Microsoft Web installer here(it will update only what is needed):

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/detai...;displaylang=en

Fourth, if you are running a wide screen monitor check this thread and implement:

http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12695


Last edited by Buddye1; 05/29/12 05:04 AM.

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