Again, loud and clear. Here's some advice that is clearly against the grain. How about, god forbid, you try the A2A simulations P-51 and try it yourself? Or you can do what I did - find a P-51 pilot and ask them their informed opinion. I went out of my way to do it, how come you are unwilling to do so?

Well thank you for the information below. It speaks volumes of your posts. You just can't accept the truth. You were provided a name as you asked, now you have to question that. The truth is the truth as much as you would like to change it you can't. Listen, all you people have to do is put some time into looking on the Web and you will find the truths. The thing is you don't want to hear or read it.

(For the sake of disclosure to those that don't know, i'm also a moderator on the eagle boards.)

regards

Well, my opinion on the subject hardly matters. It is also irrelevant to the argument at hand. On a sidenote, i am unwilling to shell out that kind of money for a product that i'm not going to use safe for research, but again, i don't need to, because this is not about my opinion.



I'm not unwilling to do so. I could go ahead and contact Nick Gray of the fighter collection, but i don't know if he has tried any A2A product, and even then, i already know what he is going to tell me. Besides, you forget what i wanted to know in the first place. Remember that i don't claim to know which one is better.

To cut a long story short, you base the assessment of A2A being the *de facto* industry standard on the opinion of, if i didn't misread, a few RL Mustang aviators that state so. So far you have brought forward one name that has tried both, but for reasons unbeknownst to me you don't want to enlighten me with what he had to say exactly. What am i to make of this?

A heartfelt LMAO to that from this engineer. YMMD.

Thats the thing - I did state it earlier, and Im not keen to repeating myself. Youll have to trust your eyesight to scroll back those few pages and find out my reasons to believing why A2A's Mustang is the set standard. It shouldnt be too hard to miss, its only 14 posts or so behind this one.

Ease off guys. You're moving from a discussion about sims to a discussion about each other.

Are we? I thought we were discussing RL aviator opinions.

Edit: Nonetheless, i'm not in the business of causing trouble, so, knock it off it is i guess.

Your date is not accurate to the simmers within my range. They almost never play a sim which has no MP function.

Just because it has MP doesnt mean they play it in MP.

Unfortunately most of them do. In my community of IL-2 part, we have 13,504 recorded pilots flied 309,458.7 hours with 1,316,536 kills in the dedicated server. The longest one flied 4,487.1 hours. If we have 1.3M more players play the sim offline...That can't be true.
There are more FSX and LOFC/DCS online player here. Most SP favored players here will choose something like "Ace Combat x" On PS2.

It was stated, and not from here that majority of flight sim players prefer to play SP not MP. Your figures just indicate some of the people who play MP not which is played the most. Easy facts to find. Your statement just indicates the small Percentage of MP not the whole picture.

In DCS Multiplayer -right now- are total slightly under 50 people online. FSX is about the same. Just because IL2 is popular doesnt mean that these 2 are just as popular as IL2. And to me, 50 people is a lot of people online for DCS.

Wish you have some deep investigation about people flying sims. Or it's really a difference between eastern and western country.
The date I post is just from a single National dedicate server here.
In our country the FSX has the largest number of players. They play online via addons like FSInn.
More people prefer morden combat aircraft than old WWII one. LOFC/DCS has no dedicated server, so they just creat a MP mission and invite/wait friends to join. They may choose use a internal IP to aviod unknown player to join a complex mission, or just use the password. The same to Falcon BMS4 here, but has less player than DCS with it. ROF here is just start recently, because the government here block the proxy server for a long time.

Well for this weekend we have VFAT running, so lots of people that play flight sims are watching aerobatic flight DEC.7-9, they will be away from there MP servers as will the SP bunch. However MP has taken a big dip in last year and half. Why, I would say people cheating,using cheats in MP etc. so interest has dropped of remarkably.

DCS World is a brand new simulator that hasnt been marketed by nothing more than reputation and what little you can find about it online. Il2 has the benefit of having been out for numerous years, like Falcon still has a large online community. Its not well known, and those who do know about it arent comfortable enough to rage quit in quake servers. Demographics are always different between games.

* All this popcorn is making me thirsty! *

I don't think the review is saying: "A2A's P-51D is the benchmark simulation, can the DCS P-51D compete? No!"

So let's cut the melodrama.

The comparison between the products is, obviously, controversial to some but let's look at the greater picture. Within the flight simulations hobby, civil aviation enjoys the majority share of enthusiasts worldwide; and within that genre Microsoft FSX is still the big dog, the king of the hill. Then you have combat flight simulators which, although they each have a rabidly devoted fanbase, all suffer from their respective narrowly-defined content. A guy who likes WWI may not ever fly a jet combat sim; a guy who likes WWII might only be interested in the Pacific Theater.

So, Microsoft FSX is the hobby's largest demographic and it sort of becomes the common operating picture by default. You may not have ever flown FSX but I'm sure you know what it is. And you might never have flown the A2A Wings of Power III P-51D but I'm guessing you at least know about it; in June it was the #1 Best Seller at Flightsim.com, with the Accu-Sim expansion pack for it following as the #2 Best Seller.

I like WWII combat sims. I hate jet sims, either with or without guns. The F-86 is about as modern as I'm willing to go. Before this DCS P-51D was released, I have had no interest in anything Eagle Dynamics has produced. The possibility of flying a fully armed, weapons capable P-51D in a cutting-edge simulation intrigued me enough to read the review, even though I already knew that the DCS environment is anachronistic for the P-51D...unless you like to pretend you're an eccentric billionaire with a Soviet-era military as your personal shooting gallery. So, like it or not, the reviewer was speaking directly to me and addressing the sim using language I could understand and relate to.

Is the DCS P-51D a combat sim or a combat-capable civilian sim? Is it more comparable to A2A's superlative FSX model, or to the "Storm of War: Battle of Britain" aircraft? Does it need to be compared to anything? If not, how else do you describe this product to the uninitiated?

Just my two cents...

DCS Mustang is touted as a fully functional P-51D, within the Georgian/Turkish/Russian borders.

Pros
Highly detailed and accurate external model
Highly detailed and accurate cockpit
fully working gauges
Systematic failures
100% realistic engine performance and true to life aircraft systems
Fully functional weaponry

Cons
Old terrain that predates Flanker 2.0
Theater which has rarely seen this type aircraft/non historic references
No real missions or opponents within the simulation
Lacks in atmosphere (immersion)

To me, its like buying that Barrett M82 Ive always wanted, and there are no beer cans to shoot at, but were generous enough to provide to me vehicles that not only shoot back, but shoot back rockets larger than my aircraft, or has better armour which .50 caliber rounds cannot penetrate, or has guns that out distance those same .50 caliber rounds.

Or if you were feeling really lucky, you might run into someone online who wants to dogfight in one.

OK. Make that 1.1% play multiplayer. The rest play offline. The IL-2 line has sold over 1.25 million copies.

Obviously you're joking there E, as I keep seeing them loitering 1000ft above terrain and hosing targets with 30mm within 1nm or less range and getting wasted within about 15 seconds by AAA, MG, and ATM fire. So AH-64D Ai seems extraordinarily dumb, or maybe you were just making some sarcastic humor about how bad the DCS Ai is at the basics of combining attacking and surviving?

All sold in China?