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#376992 - 08/18/06 05:05 PM
Important TSH Announcement
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IMPORTANT TSH ANNOUNCEMENT
Since the formation of Team Superhornet, Jane's F-18 modders have pursued access to the original source code (property of Electronic Arts). Although there were at times high hopes of getting this code, 6 years later we still have not received anything from EA. While TSH would welcome dialogue with EA, none has been forthcoming so far.
But there is still hope for Jane's F-18 modding. When WarfareFix was released in 2004, JF-18 pilots saw the first efforts of direct modification of the JF-18 assembly code. What TSH members learned in this process allowed development to proceed with TSHv3. The recently released TSHv3 includes over 5,000 lines of modified code, all of it accomplished through the manipulation of the dissasembled code.
While there will always be things that are impossible to accomplish without source code access, there is much that can be done given the current contraints. For years TSH had fielded requests to change the flight model of the F-18E, and to add flight models for the F-14 and A-10, and even the F-15E. The answer to these requests has always been that it cannot be done without the source code. Today TSH announces that this response has been intentionally misleading, for obvious reasons. The means to alter the Jane's F-18 flight model exists, and it involves assembly code modification.
If you are familiar with assembly code, TSH needs your help. It is not a simple process, but the potential payoff is large. In addition to new flight models, assembly code modification could potentially lead to other improvements; every time TSH learns more about the code we get new ideas about what might be done to it.
If you feel you can help TSH in any way (even if you don't have assembly knowledge, but especially if you do), then please contact a TSH member here or at the TSH forums. TSH development is continuing and many exciting things are planned for future releases.
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#376998 - 08/21/06 09:15 PM
Re: Important TSH Announcement
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You might also mention this request to your pals on other forums... TSH needs coders bad.
Ripcord
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#377000 - 08/22/06 07:55 AM
Re: Important TSH Announcement
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Originally posted by Ripcord:
You might also mention this request to your pals on other forums... TSH needs coders bad.
Ripcord Rip, it's done here: //http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?p=1276134#post1276134 Look at post #186 and tell me what I forgot to mention. 
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#377001 - 08/22/06 08:40 AM
Re: Important TSH Announcement
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Dirk, I think Joe is going to rip my head off for writing something that might prompt somebody else to post something not quite accurate on another forum. I think this is not quite correct. Or if it is, we have no real confirmation of it. PS: If my memory serves me right EA advised TSH group sometime back that they had lost JF/A-18 original code, but had nothing against TSH activities in F18 modding, or something like that. I guess they just didnt want to create a precedent. Joe will want to comment on this, but it might be a good idea to remove this quickly, or talk first to Joe about it. Ripcord
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#377003 - 08/22/06 09:06 AM
Re: Important TSH Announcement
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I know, I know. But I am part of TSH (not a big part) and well....., I didn't want to get into hot water with other members.
Let's do some direct targetting of some real known modding freaks. That's what I wanted to say.
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#377005 - 08/22/06 05:01 PM
Re: Important TSH Announcement
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Dirk, I appreciate the mention in the Falcon forum, but your PS is really completely and totally wrong. I would appreciate it if you corrected it or deleted it entirely, as it is 100% innacurate. Thanks, Joe P.S. - (yeah, I get one too  ) - Where did this rumor come from that EA lost the JF-18 source code? I've seen that posted 3 or 4 times in the last few months. EA did not lose the source code. We know that it has been documented and safely archived.
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#377007 - 08/22/06 06:10 PM
Re: Important TSH Announcement
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Originally posted by Joe: P.S. - (yeah, I get one too ) - Where did this rumor come from that EA lost the JF-18 source code? I've seen that posted 3 or 4 times in the last few months. EA did not lose the source code. We know that it has been documented and safely archived. First time I think I read about it on this forum, was it about 2 years back? No one mentioned it was a rumor then.  Sure, I also read about it on another forum, but was not that interested to remember the details. And personally I thought that they (EA) just didn't want to take any position in this matter, it was just an excuse. That's what I was thinking back then.
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#377009 - 08/22/06 07:20 PM
Re: Important TSH Announcement
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#377011 - 08/29/06 12:35 PM
Re: Important TSH Announcement
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You might also want to post on other forums involving 'old' jet-era sims that have been open to code editing. EECH/EEAH comes to mind. And the Free Falcon forums as well as the Frugals F4 one?
Best of luck!
"Wait until you see the whites of his eyes."
Sailor Malan, 'Ten of My Rules for Air Fighting', no. 1
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